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Originally Posted by Guardiola
(Post 1365436)
The public school system taught me to trust no one. Especially those in charge. The more authority they have, the less likely they are to know what is going on.
Whenever there is a "group project" do all the work yourself. Unless you don't care what grade you get. The Pareto principle is real. You can get a B putting in 20% effort. That A will cost you another 80%. And most importantly, while in public school, you have no rights. If you want to demonstrate your "rights" you better be off campus. |
I want to jump out a window every time someone suggests that teachers should earn as much as *insert high-barrier-to-entry, high-demand, low-supply occupation here*.
I could see myself as a proponent of teacher "shelf life" - that is to say that once you become a teacher, you have X number of years to teach before you enter maturity, at which point you get an annual assessment by an uninterested external third party to determine if you still meet the qualities of excitement, passion, and innovation for the job that qualified new young teachers bring to the field. I would also be a proponent of "you're not allowed to be a teacher if you have greater than a bachelor's degree" - It's absurd to me that you need a master's degree to compete in a career field that is going to earn you slightly more income than the poverty level. With this plan, you would have pretty much the same number of unemployed teachers, except that those unemployed teachers would be paying back bachelors degree loans instead of masters degree loans. Oh, and they would have 2 fewer years to be brainwashed by the liberal higher education system. |
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 1365479)
I want to jump out a window every time someone suggests that teachers should earn as much as *insert high-barrier-to-entry, high-demand, low-supply occupation here*.
But the better students pick better paying jobs. Perhaps if the standards and pay for teachers were higher we would see a corresponding jump in quality. I graduated OSU with a Journalism degree in Dec 2005. The starting salary for teacher in OK was something like $28,325 per year. I went to State Farm and became a Claim Rep for nearly $10k more per year. Changed careers and within 5 years was making double of what a teacher with 5 years of experience would make. What would be my incentive to become a teacher? "For the children?" That ain't cutting it. Go look at the Finnish model. It's amazing to me that people who are so influential on a student's success are regarded so poorly and make less than the Assisant Manager at a Rent-A-Center........and we wonder why we're something like 34th in Math and Science education in the world. |
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 1365479)
It's absurd to me that you need a master's degree to compete in a career field that is going to earn you slightly more income than the poverty level.
FYI: http://www.ohea.org/fact-finder-for-the-ohio-teacher |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1365490)
What would be my incentive to become a teacher? "For the children?" That ain't cutting it.
You know how people sometimes say things like "You couldn't pay me enough to...", only usually they're talking about things that are gross / dangerous / scary? You couldn't pay me enough to teach developmentally-disabled elementary school kids. Sure, I say that as I'm sitting here in my comfortable office with my nice six-figure salary, but I'd rather be shoveling pig manure or gutting fish all day than dealing with a room full of emotionally-disturbed children. But for some people, that's just their calling. A lot of folks wouldn't want to climb radio towers and work with equipment that operates at the multi-kilovolt level, or spend more time in hotels and airplanes than in their own home, and that's fine- to each their own. Me? I miss having gold-medallion frequent flier status and getting Christmas cards from the CEOs of Marriott and Hertz. Besides, it's cold in Finland. |
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1365515)
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Besides, it's cold in Finland. |
Apparently we differ either in our definition of "beer" or in our definition of "good. "
Speaking not of which, I ask this seriously: how many different genders of dog are there? |
Originally Posted by bahurd
(Post 1365497)
I guess you're not aware OH dropped the requirement for a teacher to have his/her masters. We'll see how that works out for the state over time.
FYI: Fact Finder for the Ohio Teacher - OHEA.org Your children's teachers have masters degrees - the teachers who taught your children's teachers had bachelor's degrees, and the teachers who taught them had high school diplomas. And as has already been suggested, people who teach don't do it for the money. The reason teachers don't earn a good wage is not because we don't value them in society - in fact, we place exceptional value on good teachers in our society. Good teachers don't earn a good wage simply because there are 100 good teachers vying for every teaching job, and anyone who thinks it makes sense to pay surgeon money for your choice of any one of 100 teachers with masters degrees simply didn't have a very good economics teacher themselves. The problem is that once you hire a teacher, it is nigh on impossible to fire them, regardless of how much they suck, so there's an incentive to be an exceptional candidate during the hiring process, but after that, there remains no incentive to be an exceptional teacher for the 30 years that many of them will be squatting on their positions. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1365573)
Apparently we differ either in our definition of "beer" or in our definition of "good. "
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I've got a good stout for your mom.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1365660)
I've got a good stout for your mom.
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Antidote to GenWu:
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1365660)
I've got a good stout for your mom.
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why are black kids so racist and hung up on slavery?
meanwhile, black kids are still being slaved by black Africans. |
Because the slavery argument continues to get them free things a century and a half later.
If I told you that "you can have a free new car every year for life, all you must do is convince someone that your life depends on it" would you start trying to convince people that you will die if they don't buy you a car? Now what if I told you that "you have convinced people that your life depends on having a new car every year for life, and they are giving it to you, but you don't wan't just whatever car they are willing to give you, you want a new sports car every year for life".... The "slavery reparation argument" started with discount oil changes, and now they are no longer satisified with driving around in their shiny new hyundai accents. |
meanwhile, they continue to be in decline and continue to vote for the people who are currently enslaving them.
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Some people choose to be cared for as children all of their lives rather than provide for themselves.
America is about self-reliance and rugged individualism. I remember hearing that as a child. I also heard it was a melting pot. E Pluribus Unum. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1367338)
Some people choose to be cared for as children all of their lives rather than provide for themselves.
America is about self-reliance and rugged individualism. I remember hearing that as a child. I also heard it was a melting pot. E Pluribus Unum. |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1365490)
While I agree that, and it's proven by Harvard studies, that most teachers both in undergrad and grad school tend to have the lowest test scores and entry scores of nearly every profession/major.
But the better students pick better paying jobs. Perhaps if the standards and pay for teachers were higher we would see a corresponding jump in quality. Some of the best entrepreneurs in our society dropped out of college... I graduated OSU with a Journalism degree in Dec 2005. The starting salary for teacher in OK was something like $28,325 per year. I went to State Farm and became a Claim Rep for nearly $10k more per year. Changed careers and within 5 years was making double of what a teacher with 5 years of experience would make. What would be my incentive to become a teacher? "For the children?" That ain't cutting it. Go look at the Finnish model. It's amazing to me that people who are so influential on a student's success are regarded so poorly and make less than the Assisant Manager at a Rent-A-Center........and we wonder why we're something like 34th in Math and Science education in the world. Also, I haven't seen any studies suggesting high test scores are indicative of low teaching ability. I'm in med school. The kids that want to be surgeons bust their asses far harder because they have to score higher on the boards to be competitive. The folks that want to do primary care have a lower barrier of entry into the field and tend to enjoy their time in school a bit more. I wouldn't say they're worse doctors, they just want to do something different. If teaching became a $100k a year profession tomorrow, you'd attract a lot of folks that want to be teachers but didn't want the low salaries for the amount of education required. Want proof? Why are the teachers in higher income school districts better? Why do the kids do better there? Higher barrier of entry means you have to be a better candidate to get in the door. |
The problem isn't the teachers, it's the students. The whole system is geared toward keeping poor people poor and dependent on the gov't.
Fail out of HS? No big deal, we'll still give you health care, food, housing. If you don't need to work for anything, how much respect do you have for those who do work? How much do you care about anything if it hasn't cost you any investment of time or effort? And if you don't need to spend any time or energy to work, you have plenty of time to protest imagined slights that really don't have anything to do with your life. |
What do you call the student that graduated at the bottom of their med school class....
A doctor. |
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 1367426)
The problem isn't the teachers, it's the students. The whole system is geared toward keeping poor people poor and dependent on the gov't.
Fail out of HS? No big deal, we'll still give you health care, food, housing. If you don't need to work for anything, how much respect do you have for those who do work? How much do you care about anything if it hasn't cost you any investment of time or effort? And if you don't need to spend any time or energy to work, you have plenty of time to protest imagined slights that really don't have anything to do with your life. You're conflating your meme's and lumping in poverty, SJW's, and all sorts of fun bits together. You realize that benefits also go to folks that used to work in coal mines in west virginia and the like where industry completely jumped ship and left those people behind. But now it's obviously their fault, not the fault of the folks that got filthy rich in the process. And the folks with toxic water who saw their home values plummet overnight so whatever theoretical equity they had vanished without a shred of a trace. The statistically insignificant are always the easiest to turn into examples. I definitely enjoy reading the opinions of folks who think that the history of racism in America ended with slavery... I'm totally for safety net programs, but I think they should be tied to some sort of vocational or educational programs for those that are able bodied enough to do so. Or atleast they should be incentives to do so that make the base minimum paltry in comparison.
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1367427)
What do you call the student that graduated at the bottom of their med school class....
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1367424)
Want proof? Why are the teachers in higher income school districts better? Why do the kids do better there?
And, well, there's genetics. Smart people tend to have smart kids. Dumb people . . . . Like it or not, traits are often inherited. |
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1367431)
The teachers in higher income school districts might be somewhat better, but the largest factor in the kids doing better is cultural. They come from whole families. Their families have expectations. They have expectations of themselves. Immigrants, especially from Asia and the Subcontinent, do exceptionally well even if they don't live in Beverly Hills. Likewise, some people born with a silver spoon do exceptionally poorly.
And, well, there's genetics. Smart people tend to have smart kids. Dumb people . . . . Like it or not, traits are often inherited. Please, continue. Will you follow up with a lesson on phrenology? When you say they come from whole families, which families are you referring to that aren't 'whole' in comparison. What factors are at play to make them not whole? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you were talking about african american families, since those are often used as examples of these things with missing parent figures, etc? I'm guessing for profit prisons, the difference in application of the justice system, and the way police departments are often funded have nothing to do with why that might be so? Also, I want to be clear that I'm not implying any sort of racial undertones to what you said. African americans are just often used as the typical example in the context, so I figured I'd just go for it since it was convenient. Asians are not a model minority. The sociocultural history of that trope is pretty interesting, but I digress. It's difficult as hell to immigrate here if you're not in some sort of skilled/desired field. That comes with higher incomes for immigrants, as well as the schools etc that come along with it. |
Education will improve when there is no longer a teacher's union, and instead there is a student's union.
Education will improve when there are parents that have time to care about the success of their students - generally that takes two parents and a number of children that they can support on their own 40 hour (or less) incomes. Education will improve when parents are no longer ashamed of whooping the living shit out of their kids for being little assholes - and when vice principals are again allowed to do the same. Education will improve when boys can act like boys in school and not fear reprisal. We could go on and on... Teachers salaries will only improve when children stop being taught to follow their dreams. Every teacher was a child that was following their dreams, along with half of the other children. The smart ones made economically sound decisions to not become teachers; the other 100 are fighting for 2 jobs/year and undercutting each other to appear more attractive, that way they can get into the teachers union and have a guaranteed job and pension for 30 years, no matter how bad they screw up at the education piece. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1367424)
If you paid teachers more and valued teaching and education more, it would become more competitive to enter the field. Test scores would go up. If you have low wages for a job that has a relatively high educational requirement, who do you expect to recruit when there's no competition?
that's for 194 days of employment, and 0 years of experience. That's $245 a day for reading out of an instruction manual. I'm sorry, but that's a pretty good deal imho. Considering most people out of school work a 260 day-schedule, and have a much lower base salary, teachers are MUCH better off than most and have a mandatory pay increase with each each of employment. You're hard-pressed to get even a 1% raise each year in private industry. More and more and more and more and more money is dumped into education each year and nothing has improved. What makes you think dumping more and more and more and more money into education (specially teacher's salaries) will suddenly now work? That's what for-profit colleges are for. k-12 teachers read out of a book and teach about gender identification and feelings -- there's no need to pay these teachers higher salaries. anyone should be able to teach a kid how to add 1 + 1. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1367514)
the base salary for a teacher in my county is $47,516.
that's for 194 days of employment, and 0 years of experience. That's $245 a day for reading out of an instruction manual. I'm sorry, but that's a pretty good deal imo. As has been pointed out already in this thread, the biggest factor which determines student success is parental involvement. There are many conflating factors that cause poor family support in poor communities. Some of it is cultural, some of it is systemic class discrimination, some of it is poverty itself. None of these problems are simple to fully explore or fix. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1367435)
Ah yes, I totally forgot that intelligence was a mendelian trait.
Intellectual capacity, like height, hair color, and predisposition to disorders such as Alzheimer's, sickle cell disease and diabetes, has a strong hereditary factor. There's a sufficiently large body of evidence (including some gathered by non-nazi researchers) that this doesn't even merit debate. The environment in which a child is reared also plays a huge role in how their intellectual capacity develops into actual behavior and intelligence. And, again, there is a strong correlation between the quality of a child's early development environment and the social / intellectual status of the parent(s). A child raised by literate, well-educated parents who encourage reading, artistic expression, and caring socialization will develop more positive attributes (including academic performance) then one raised in a crack house. For a particularly extreme example of this, see the story of Genie the "feral child" Genie (feral child | Psychology Wiki ) |
In my personal experience intelligence has no connection to hard work and drive for success.
I know some borderline morons, who worked very hard in school and put themselves in a successful job supporting their family. Me on the other hand screwed off because my brain worked differently. And I could pass a test after studying for an hour, when they spent 12 hours on it. Until the parents rise out of poverty, the children never will. And that sucks, because you don't get to pick your parents. |
I'm pretty sure the white male is the #1 class discriminated against by the government - A.K.A. "we the people"
I'm also pretty sure that the white male is far from the #1 discriminatory class of society. I'd like to revisit my earlier arguments on education: Education will improve when China allows for full float of the Yuan valuation. |
sometimes i love the internet.
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After watching that video I can tell that every little fucking spoiled brat in that room has grown privileged. You don't become SJW otherwise.
you need to have mandatory service. I know that's what sorting teenagers minds in our country, including the problematic ones. We grow up to be men and women responsible for their own lives. |
its ironic that the privileged babies tell others to check their privileged.
there's a song that i like that's relevant: It's been a long time Now it's time to get your bubble burst Things are bad enough in this world Why do you have to make them worse? Day after day, you just gotta get it So sick and tired of your bitching and complaining So long you've been oppressed while others lives are gaining Want reparations, you're needy and deserving Can't understand why some are served while you're doing the serving Anything but responsibility Where's my slice? I want more than equal rights I want everything for free! You waste your time concerned with what others are earning You want a revolution to start the tables turning A demonstration to make a better nation We'll spend the day protesting all the problems that we're facing Anything but face reality Where's my slice? I want more than equal rights I want everything for free! Your brilliant theory How the world owes you a living You'll take away from others The things they should be giving They own the pie and you want your share Whoever told you life was fair? You were dealt your hand - now play it Where's my slice? I want more than equal rights I want everything for free! |
You don't even know me.
I gave three years of my life to my country. And I'm doing reserves until the age of 40. I was given an M16 at the age of 18. You can't call me a privileged baby. |
You were given an M16? Now thats privileged. Didn't even have to earn it?
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Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1367675)
You were given an M16? Now thats privileged. Didn't even have to earn it?
/sarcasm |
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Originally Posted by Braineack
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https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/1...lavored-treat/
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/wp-con...016/10/1-2.jpg Another thing that promotes racism and rape culture is.... |
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I'm so proud to be from Portland.......and not have turned out like that
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When someone posts the concert on YT i hope the reference Lars is making was captured. it was great.
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How Many Millennials Think Bush Killed More Than Stalin
For example, 80 percent of baby boomers and 91 percent of elderly Americans believe that communism was and still is a problem in the world today, while just 55 percent of millennials say the same. Just 37 percent of millennials had a “very unfavorable” view of communism, compared to 57 percent of Americans overall. Close to half (45 percent) of Americans aged 16 to 20 said they would vote for a socialist, and 21 percent would vote for a communist. When asked their opinion of capitalism, 64 percent of Americans over the age of 65 said they viewed it favorably, compared to just 42 percent of millennials. The survey also revealed a general lack of historical knowledge, especially among young adults. According to the report, one-third (32 percent) of millennials believed that more people were killed under George W. Bush than under Joseph Stalin. When millennial respondents were asked about their familiarity with various historical communist figures, 42 percent were unfamiliar with Mao Zedong, 40 percent with Che Guevara, and 33 percent with Vladimir Lenin—three notorious figures in communist regimes. Among millennials familiar with Lenin, 25 percent viewed him favorably. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1368260)
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Dang. I know we can't "Happy Cat" in the politics forum, but that one got a coffee nasal flush.
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The education system has met its objectives.
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Nude Trump: free speech. Nude Hillary: The Purge.
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/1...-statue-fight/ A fight broke out on the streets of Manhattan this morning as triggered liberals tore down a naked Hillary Clinton statue. |
I am ashamed of my alma mater:
University of Florida offers counseling for students troubled by 'offensive' Halloween costumes
The University of Florida is offering counseling services for students who are offended by costumes this Halloween. A memo released by UF on Monday encouraged students to think about their 'choices of costumes and themes'. 'Some Halloween costumes reinforce stereotypes of particular races, genders, cultures, or religions,' the statement read. 'Regardless of intent, these costumes can perpetuate negative stereotypes, causing harm and offense to groups of people.' https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...25c31d2597.jpg This memo released by UF on Monday encouraged students to think about their 'choices of costumes and themes' and warned they could ruin their 'reputation' 'UF fosters a community that values and respects diversity.' The university also warned students that their costumes may be seen on social media posts that could have a 'long-term impact on your personal and professional reputation.' UF added that the Bias Education and Response Team is on hand to 'respond to any reported incident of bias'. The team will provide support to 'those that were impacted' by connecting them with the 'appropriate services and resources', including a counselor available 24/7 by phone at UF's Counseling and Wellness Center, according to the statement. UF added that the team will also 'educate those who were involved' in any reported incidents of bias. But students who are reported for wearing 'offensive' costumes will not face disciplinary measures, according to spokeswoman Janine Sikes. 'Depending on the circumstances, we might reach out to the person who was listed as wearing the costume and see what support or resources they might need as well,' she told Heat Street. Sikes said that when BERT receives a report about a costume, it will initially reach out to the person who complained so that it can offer them support. 'No one is required to talk to BERT. If the individuals involved desire further conversations with us or each other, we would help facilitate this,' she added. UF's Division of Student Affairs has no guidelines regarding which costumes have been eemed offensive, bias or appropriative, Sikes said. She added that UF's Halloween advisory does not violate students' right to free speech. UF isn't the only school asking students to think twice before deciding what they want to be for Halloween this year. The University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse planned a seminar this week titled 'Is Your Costume Racist?', according to the American Mirror. A number of colleges likewise made headlines last year when they began posting notices advising students on what costumes may not be appropriate for the holiday. Students attending Wesleyan University as well as campuses in the State University of New York and the University of Massachusetts systems all reported seeing such flyers. One leaflet asked the question 'is your costume offensive?' and had a checklist of potentially harming criteria such as whether the costume mocked religious symbols or sought to represent an entire culture. 'Does this costume trivialize human suffering from oppression, and marginalization such as portraying a person who is homeless, imprisoned, a person with disabilities or a person with mental illness?' another question on the poster read. University of Florida offers counseling for students offended by Halloween costumes | Daily Mail Online |
We need to come up with the most universally offensive costume and get as many people as possible to wear it.
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Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 1368799)
We need to come up with the most universally offensive costume and get as many people as possible to wear it.
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just dress up as a human (or a gorilla).
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So, is Prince Harry's Nazi Brownshirt costume in or out? I'm so confused.
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I like how they specify extraterrestrial alien.
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Why is dressing like a Mexican drug dealer appropriation, but dressing like Steve Jobs isn't? Steve Jobs was an actual person, with a family who presumably miss him and might reasonably be made uncomfortable by having his likeness waved in their faces. If you impersonate Steve Jobs, you are literally appropriating the identify of a specific human being. By contrast, there are lots of Mexican drug dealers, all of whom are criminals and not entitled to a great deal of identity-protection. Just to be safe, dress as a Colombian drug dealer. |
I think that, unless you are of European decent, any celebration of Halloween is appropriation.
Can we stop the stupidity for just a little while? Please? |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1368855)
100% serious question:
Why is dressing like a Mexican drug dealer appropriation, but dressing like Steve Jobs isn't? Steve Jobs was an actual person, with a family who presumably miss him and might reasonably be made uncomfortable by having his likeness waved in their faces. If you impersonate Steve Jobs, you are literally appropriating the identify of a specific human being.
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1368855)
dress as a Colombian
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1368877)
Now you done triggered me, hombre!
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1368877)
My take, appropriating from an individual is just fine. Individuals have no rights. Appropriating from a group, especially a protected group, is 100% verbotten. Only groups have rights -- except white males.
Somewhere along the line, we broke reality. |
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