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Old 02-21-2013, 02:18 PM   #501
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Someone google and then post up the letter from Ronnie Barrett to NY politicians.
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In the never-ending battle to destroy our constitution, more “big lie” propaganda is being dumped on our elected officials. The rhetoric given forth by the Violence Policy Center (VPC) so easily deceived the legislators of California, resulting in the banning of fifty caliber rifles because they are powerful and their bullets punch holes when they strike. Even single shot .50 cal rifles were banned. It’s hard to believe we live in such a dark time that someone has actually banned a single shot rifle. But as you will see, this is the cleverest of all gun bans, and the end goal is civilian disarmament, the confiscation of your tools of liberty, your rifles.

What lies before us is the continuation of the misinformation campaign, trying to coax yet another state to infringe upon the U.S. Constitution as California did. The anti-freedom/anti-gun movement has discovered how transparent they appear when they propose sweeping gun bans and now are successful by biting off a little at a time. Ever so small, many politicians are trading off your rights without you recognizing their violations.

First we had the “Saturday Night Special” which was all affordable handguns, then “sniper rifles” which were any scoped deer rifles. Those were obvious, too big a scam to go unnoticed, but with the creation and demonization of the term “assault weapon,” the Clinton’s Crime bill produced a wasted 10-year setback on your freedoms and safe gun design. Now comes another scam. This time they are shocked to discover that rifles are “accurate and powerful.”

This is the same bull the officials in the 1950′s fell for when they banned the self-unfolding knife. First the knife was demonized by giving it an evil name, “switchblade,” then we (the trusting public) were told that the problem of gang violence was solved with its banning. How ridiculous. It’s surprising they didn’t ban the leather jacket. In reality, gang violence was and is a serious social problem, but it was not related to manually unfolding verses self-unfolding knives. The elected officials voting to ban an object like a knife proved themselves unwilling or uncaring to understand the problem, and thus, incapable of any real solutions.

The handful of people that make up the VPC are solely responsible for the big lie on .50′s, claiming fantastic destruction capabilities. They manipulate fear by claiming terrorists will use these rifles on targets of our infrastructure. “They will shut down our airports in flames” they claim. VPC’s Tom Diaz refers to them as “super guns” lying to his dupable group of politicians, concealing the facts that there are many rifle cartridges that are comparable in performance (those will be added to the list in phase two). He is boldly telling these officials (and all who will listen) that the risk of terrorist attacks on these targets will be solved with the banning of powerful rifles, in this case, the .50 caliber rifle. In reality, terrorism is complex and will be defeated with improved intelligence. In this instance, the officials voting to ban an inanimate object like a rifle prove themselves to be ignorant of the problem of terrorism and are wasting time and resources.

You must understand the brilliance of this dangerous back door deception. Your politicians are being told that the fifty is a highly destructive cartridge that can destroy airplanes, fuel transport trucks and depot storages of fuel. They show videos like the one on 60 Minutes showing a 1/2 inch plate of steel being pierced by a .50 cal round while stopping a .308 caliber. This is all to confuse the people, those with little exposure to firearms; their impression concludes that the .50 punches holes in sensitive targets where other rifles cannot. Had they shot actual aluminum that is used on airplane construction, or aluminum or steel used in actual transport or tank construction, both the .50 and the .308 will pierce along with most all centerfire cartridges. But this, they must keep secret.




First, with the confusion of massive, (although incorrect) technical data and the hammering of urgency, the VPC demands a ban or strict regulations on rifles that chamber a cartridge that has the ability to penetrate targets. Sound ridiculous? It is.

VPC’s Tom Diaz appears often on TV with maps of Washington, DC, irresponsibly instructing where to position one’s self to illegally fire on vulnerable important targets of our government, promising these specific targets will be safe when .50′s are banned. He pressures politicians to act quickly on this URGENT legislation needed to make these terrorist targets safe, hoping they will act before the VPC lies are discovered.

Now slow down. A ban on a rifle because the cartridge it shoots penetrates targets? By the legislation naming and defining the targets that are damageable by rifle fire, and in this case, .50 cal. rifle fire, they create a new class of rifles. This new class is not defined by such foolishness as detachable magazines, flash hiders, or pistol grips. Instead, the test is; does it fire a bullet that punches a hole, and can the hole result in damage to specified and named targets? If so, the law-abiding citizen shouldn’t be allowed to have this, so they must ban this class of rifle before they can be misused. This is the very thing California has just passed!

“Now, we are only talking about those powerful .50 cals, right? It’s such a small class, no one will mind or even notice.” That’s what the VPC’s lies have lead you to believe. No, remember they are banning rifles because specific targets named in our infrastructure are susceptible to damage. Now tell me, what centerfire rifle cartridge won’t punch holes in those targets? What centerfire rifle cartridge is not powerful? Not many or not any? So, in order to comply with the spirit and intent of the law, the Attorney General or State Secretary must add those cartridges to the banned list. The big lie is exposed. They aren’t just talking about .50′s. They’re after your hunting rifles, centerfire target rifles-just about any rifle you own.

Unlike California, we cannot allow any of our local, state, or federal officials to be deceived with any of this “big lie” gun control propaganda. The U.S. has every gun law that could possibly be needed. Virtually every real world scenario of firearm abuse is already covered in some law that is currently on the books.

Many of you have inquired as to the outcome of the letter I wrote to Police Chief Bratten of the LAPD. Unfortunately, the chief’s position did not change. He continued to use his officers in the same deceptive practices formerly utilized with the city council. These few officers testifying in Sacramento ultimately contributed to the unconstitutional AB50 law being passed. It saddened me to have to tell members of the LAPD SWAT team that they would have to send someone for their rifle, because I refused to assist anyone or any organization that is in violation of the United States Constitution. In turn, the department arranged to pick up their un-serviced rifle.

Barrett cannot legally sell any of its products to lawbreakers. Therefore, since California’s passing of AB50, the state is not in compliance with the US Constitution’s 2nd and 14th Amendments, and we will not sell nor service any of our products to any government agency of the State of California.



I appreciate all the phone calls and e-mails from LAPD officers and civilians during that time, encouraging and supporting our actions. We shall see if other firearms companies will follow this path. I know many are corporately owned and feel like they are unable to risk the life of their company for the liberties of our nation, but if we lose our Republic, our freedom, what good is any of it? I am in the proud and fortunate position that many of our forefathers were in when they risked all for our liberties.

“Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” -Patrick Henry

This “ban large bore” insanity failed in Washington years ago, but that didn’t discourage the VPC. Now it’s resurfacing in city council meetings, in individual states, and it’s being reintroduced in Washington. NRA-ILA Executive Director, Chris ***, once told me “These (anti-freedom, anti-gun) guys never go away, and they never quit.”

I’ve received thousands of e-mails and letters from you offering encouragement and support. Our Republic, our liberty, needs and demands your support. You must take action to guard your rights. First, find your State Senator and State Representative. Tell them not to fall for this scam. This lie depends on the elected official being naive about firearms and their capabilities. Stand ready to carry this same message to your U.S. Senator and Representatives. Know all of your elected officials’ positions on gun issues. DO NOT ELECT ANY ANTI-GUN PERSON TO ANY POSITION!

Position yourself with me in the battles that we must fight. You need to join the NRA, the Fifty Caliber Shooters’ Association, and the NSSF in order to stay informed. These people have been with me in the trenches, fighting for every inch of the liberty you enjoy.

Today we draw a line; there will be no more nibbling at our freedom. Today you stand idle no longer. Today you do something to save our country!

Ronnie Barrett
Owner and CEO Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc.
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Sorry; that's his letter re: an old CA ban. He recently wrote a new one saying he would not sell to NY agencies.
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my bad, brah!

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Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies.

Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws.”

By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their Second Amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators.

In the course of world history there have been officials that strip inalienable rights from the people that were given to all by our Creator. Most of these officials inevitably come to trial, some do not.

Intentionally violating constitutional rights by officials that have sworn to uphold them should have severe prison sentences.

With the clear vision of horrible events in history repeating itself, all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial.

During this era of assault on liberty, Barrett will remain steadfast in our efforts to serve law-abiding citizens of all fifty states, and stands together with you in the struggles we will fight and win.

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One of them saw a good deal one day and bought 2500 rds of .30carbine and has never owned a gun in that caliber... just in case.
He should sell it to me then! It's expensive feeding this M1. I'd also like to get a Super Blackhawk in matching caliber.
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we're form the gov't and here to help you:

FBI agents caught sexting and dating drug dealers - Telegraph
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FBI agents caught sexting and dating drug dealers - Telegraph
Suprise suprise, people fucked up and did stupid ****. You can find these people in any company. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. This was almost all behavior outside of work or stupid inter office bullshit that is just part of being human and working with other people. It may not look great on paper but it is unavoidable that a certain portion of the workforce will do stuff like this. Atleast the FBI is documenting all of it and handling it themselves.
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Suprise suprise, people fucked up and did stupid ****. You can find these people in any company. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. This was almost all behavior outside of work or stupid inter office bullshit that is just part of being human and working with other people. It may not look great on paper but it is unavoidable that a certain portion of the workforce will do stuff like this. Atleast the FBI is documenting all of it and handling it themselves.
While I agree with you to an extent... there are some places/positions where this should be even less acceptable or possible.

Then again... it is the US government... not really know for its quality.
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I have a front row seat at many levels of gov't asshattery... Believe me, it literally goes all the way to the top... Currently, you might say the source is at the top.
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While I agree with you to an extent... there are some places/positions where this should be even less acceptable or possible.

Then again... it is the US government... not really know for its quality.
I understand this sentiment and I counter with the fact that the FBI in particular does a lot more employee surveillance/monitoring and subsequent background checks than most any other company/branch of govt. You will always have people who are corrupt. The only course of action is to find them and fire/discipline them.

While I think the US Govt. as a whole is very systemically corrupt I do believe that in general units like the FBI, Secret Service, and CIA tend to be a lot less so, and much more on the level of normal/slightly better than normal. People may disagree but they are under a microscope and any scandal is blown up to be much larger than it normally would become because it is part of the govt.

In the end they are all just normal people many of whom are under extreme pressure so it is only logical to expect a small percentage of them (and in the big picture it really is a SMALL fraction of these agencies) will become corrupt or do something stupid.
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Beretta's future in Maryland tied to state's gun-control debate - The Washington Post

dunno why they haven't already left. gun laws and taxes SUCK in MD compared to even VA.
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“I have not seen an illegal gun offender who possesses a FOID card. It just doesn’t happen. The gang members are criminals. They’re not eligible to receive those cards… I have no concern with legal guns. I have a great concern with illegal guns.”

- Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy testifying to a House committee last week about state gun laws
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I had a friend telling me that the VA is sending out letters demanding veterans with PTSD and other mental health issues to surrender their weapons as they are now unfit to bear them. Does anyone have any proof of this?
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I like when people make stuff up.
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I had a friend telling me that the VA is sending out letters demanding veterans with PTSD and other mental health issues to surrender their weapons as they are now unfit to bear them. Does anyone have any proof of this?
Your friend has mental health issues.
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I had a friend telling me that the VA is sending out letters demanding veterans with PTSD and other mental health issues to surrender their weapons as they are now unfit to bear them. Does anyone have any proof of this?
If that was true SamNavy would have posted about it. Also in VA there is no registry of firearms ownership. So there is no way for the VA to know if a veteran owns any firearms or not.
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╗ City Wants Power to “Disarm Individuals” During Crisis Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Biden on self-defense: Get yourself a shotgun | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

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“Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barreled shotgun, than the assault weapon in somebody’s hands [who] doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” the outspoken vice president, a shotgun owner himself, replied. “It’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun. You want to keep people away in an earthquake? Buy some shotgun shells.”
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So the question at the forefront of my mind right now is, "Is this (magazine bans, ammo prices, ammo scarcity) something that is temporary or here to stay?" Should I panic and pay stupid prices for every last round and magazine I can get my hands on or wait it out?
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Says JoeJoe Braindead, someone who doesn't even know the true definition of the term "Assault Rifle" and has likely never even fired one.

I'm by no means an expert marksman but have absolutely no problem hitting a 20 oz bottle swinging from a tree at 50 yards with iron sights. My girlfriend who's never fired a gun before in her life hit a 4" steel pipe from 40 yards and iron sights on her very first shot. I believe she would be much better off with the low recoil of a .223/5.56 rifle than a donkey-kicking coach gun for self defense.

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So the question at the forefront of my mind right now is, "Is this (magazine bans, ammo prices, ammo scarcity) something that is temporary or here to stay?" Should I panic and pay stupid prices for every last round and magazine I can get my hands on or wait it out?
Absolutely. Buy now and sell to me for less than retail in six months.

Don't feed the panic.
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