Gun Rights: Should you be allowed to own an RPG?
01-03-2013, 05:30 PM
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That's an interesting question. How are we defining "worst financial shape?"
Are we just talking about the state and local government sector (i.e. not households)? If so, I could probably see that being true thanks to the core Democrat bases of strong unions, especially given that private sector unions have been in decline so I could imagine increased... pandering? to the public sector unions.
Then again, many of the Old South states are historically gun friendly and survive largely thanks to the intra-state wealth redistribution system.
Are we just talking about the state and local government sector (i.e. not households)? If so, I could probably see that being true thanks to the core Democrat bases of strong unions, especially given that private sector unions have been in decline so I could imagine increased... pandering? to the public sector unions.
Then again, many of the Old South states are historically gun friendly and survive largely thanks to the intra-state wealth redistribution system.
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01-03-2013, 05:52 PM
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Be sure to write your representatives like olderguy if you haven't already. Especially for this other little bit of legislation creeping in even on day 1 of the new congress
Quick link for writing: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...046526&type=ML
Quick link for writing: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/...046526&type=ML
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01-03-2013, 11:55 PM
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I was not aware that an AR long rifle was not even involved the the most recent tragic shooting
Rifle found in Lanza's trunk not a Bushmaster
Rifle found in Lanza's trunk not a Bushmaster
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01-04-2013, 12:25 AM
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01-04-2013, 08:53 AM
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I was not aware that an AR long rifle was not even involved the the most recent tragic shooting
Rifle found in Lanza's trunk not a Bushmaster
Rifle found in Lanza's trunk not a Bushmaster
In this case, it is a horribly written article with missing information. He had 2 pistols on himself and an AR. The AR did a majority of the killing and he used a glock (I think) 10mm to end himself. The weapon in question was reported in his trunk from the beginning with a couple variations here and there. Idiots like the one who posted this article and half the people commenting are exactly the kind of people they use against us in the anti-gun argument.
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01-04-2013, 09:47 AM
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Gunbattle on New York subway leaves 2 cops injured; 3rd cop shot elsewhere - U.S. News
Its sad that all these cities with the tightest gun control laws have the worst shootings. I worry that the sheep won't be able to see the plain facts that tighter gun control laws only stop law abiding citizens. Anyways, New York is off to an awesome start like Chicago.
Its sad that all these cities with the tightest gun control laws have the worst shootings. I worry that the sheep won't be able to see the plain facts that tighter gun control laws only stop law abiding citizens. Anyways, New York is off to an awesome start like Chicago.
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01-04-2013, 10:06 AM
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Gunbattle on New York subway leaves 2 cops injured; 3rd cop shot elsewhere - U.S. News
Its sad that all these cities with the tightest gun control laws have the worst shootings. I worry that the sheep won't be able to see the plain facts that tighter gun control laws only stop law abiding citizens. Anyways, New York is off to an awesome start like Chicago.
Its sad that all these cities with the tightest gun control laws have the worst shootings. I worry that the sheep won't be able to see the plain facts that tighter gun control laws only stop law abiding citizens. Anyways, New York is off to an awesome start like Chicago.
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01-04-2013, 10:58 AM
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There must be something in the water that makes "you" all scared as hell of being killed by anyone at anytime...
Logic and cause-action is not high on the prio list either.
If an attempt to reduce a problem does not work immediately (or have a too small effect), it's seen as a proof that the remedy created the problem (or at least promotes it). I guess then that the legal system is to blame for creating the crimes in the first place...
We had a 50% reduction of DUIs one year in the area where I grew up, fantastic result of prevention? Nah, they just performed 50% less checks due to budget restrictions...
You have your history and should be proud of it, but don't be surprised if your neighbor sees you as the same threat as you see them.
Anyone can become mentally unstable, even you...
Sure, we have shootings here too, 99,501% of the cases with illegal guns between social misfits (I would not class them as gangs), but there is no acceptance whatsoever that the solution could be to arm the public, not even in the very restricted areas where it's a "problem".
We patch things up, give the misfits some more welfare, and continue with our lives.
I would assume that there are some small pockets in the US where they feel similarly (I've seen several individuals that were not packing heat on my visits).
Logic and cause-action is not high on the prio list either.
If an attempt to reduce a problem does not work immediately (or have a too small effect), it's seen as a proof that the remedy created the problem (or at least promotes it). I guess then that the legal system is to blame for creating the crimes in the first place...
We had a 50% reduction of DUIs one year in the area where I grew up, fantastic result of prevention? Nah, they just performed 50% less checks due to budget restrictions...
You have your history and should be proud of it, but don't be surprised if your neighbor sees you as the same threat as you see them.
Anyone can become mentally unstable, even you...
Sure, we have shootings here too, 99,501% of the cases with illegal guns between social misfits (I would not class them as gangs), but there is no acceptance whatsoever that the solution could be to arm the public, not even in the very restricted areas where it's a "problem".
We patch things up, give the misfits some more welfare, and continue with our lives.
I would assume that there are some small pockets in the US where they feel similarly (I've seen several individuals that were not packing heat on my visits).
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01-04-2013, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by that NBC news story
“In recent weeks, we've heard some people say that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. But sometimes the good guys get shot – and sometimes, they are killed," the mayor said Thursday night from the hospital where the two officers wounded in the Brooklyn incident were recovering.
"Tonight, thank God, three good guys – three New York City police officers, who acted heroically – are going to make it. But we owe it to the good guys to do whatever we can to protect them – just as they do whatever they can to protect us. Instead, Washington is letting the bad guys shoot our police officers, our children, our neighbors – and it just has to stop."
"Tonight, thank God, three good guys – three New York City police officers, who acted heroically – are going to make it. But we owe it to the good guys to do whatever we can to protect them – just as they do whatever they can to protect us. Instead, Washington is letting the bad guys shoot our police officers, our children, our neighbors – and it just has to stop."
I could believe it is probable, though. The cities with the strictest gun controls are probably more likely to have long-standing concentrated, low-income urban areas. I am more and more of the opinion that the greatest predictor of gun (and probably all) violence is those segregated urban areas of "permanent" low income/low employment.
Then again, you have some Southern and Midwest cities that probably have lax gun control laws and high murder rates.
Conversely, the Chicago and NYC gun violence rates do show that localized "gun control" is somewhat meaningless. Banning a thing in one city that is easily accessible outside of that city is very easy to circumvent. That's one of the arguments advocates use for a more comprehensive national policy.
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01-04-2013, 11:19 AM
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The national rate of gun-related homicides was 4.2 per 100,000 people for this data set. That really conceals how bad some of the cities are:
- Newark, NJ = 25.4
- City of Los Angeles, CA = 9.2
- Chicago, IL = 11.6
- Dallas, TX = 9.8
- Philadelphia, PA = 20.0
- Houston, TX = 12.9
- Miami, FL = 23.7
- Washington, DC = 19.0
- Atlanta, GA = 17.2
- Detroit, MI = 35.9
- Oakland, CA = 26.6
- St. Louis, MO = 24.1
- Baltimore, MD = 29.7
- Richmond, VA = 23.1
- Milwaukee, WI = 13.5
- New Orleans, LA = 62.1 (!)
- Salt Lake City, UT = 1.9
Note that these are the specific cities inside the broader metropolitan statistical area. For example, the city of Houston is inside the MSA which incorporates Houston, Sugar Land and Baytown.
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01-04-2013, 11:37 AM
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However, I do realize that there is a small chance that at some point in my life I or someone else close to me may have their life threatened by another and I would like to be prepared to defend either myself or this third party.
Logic and cause-action is not high on the prio list either.
If an attempt to reduce a problem does not work immediately (or have a too small effect), it's seen as a proof that the remedy created the problem (or at least promotes it). I guess then that the legal system is to blame for creating the crimes in the first place...
We had a 50% reduction of DUIs one year in the area where I grew up, fantastic result of prevention? Nah, they just performed 50% less checks due to budget restrictions...
If an attempt to reduce a problem does not work immediately (or have a too small effect), it's seen as a proof that the remedy created the problem (or at least promotes it). I guess then that the legal system is to blame for creating the crimes in the first place...
We had a 50% reduction of DUIs one year in the area where I grew up, fantastic result of prevention? Nah, they just performed 50% less checks due to budget restrictions...
The other underlying problem is that in the U.S. we don't give up our individual rights for the "good of the many" as everyone else in the free world seems to do.
You have your history and should be proud of it, but don't be surprised if your neighbor sees you as the same threat as you see them.
Anyone can become mentally unstable, even you...
Anyone can become mentally unstable, even you...
Sure, we have shootings here too, 99,501% of the cases with illegal guns between social misfits (I would not class them as gangs), but there is no acceptance whatsoever that the solution could be to arm the public, not even in the very restricted areas where it's a "problem".
We patch things up, give the misfits some more welfare, and continue with our lives.
We patch things up, give the misfits some more welfare, and continue with our lives.
I would assume that there are some small pockets in the US where they feel similarly (I've seen several individuals that were not packing heat on my visits).
EDIT: It is also their choice not to carry. I am completely okay with that decision. What I am not okay with is anyone else's delusion that they have the ability to take away my choice.
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