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Braineack 10-27-2015 08:13 AM

cop logic is not logic.


Joe Perez 10-27-2015 09:48 AM

Cops fail to stop crime:



Man allegedly kills friend after binge watching ‘Walking Dead’
POSTED 9:57 PM, OCTOBER 26, 2015, BY KRISTINA BEHR, UPDATED AT 09:17AM, OCTOBER 27, 2015



GRANTS, New Mexico— A man is being accused of killing his friend after binge watching the hit AMC series "The Walking Dead" because he believed his friend had transformed into a walker, authorities in New Mexico said.

Police say 23-year-old Damon Perry used knives, a microwave oven, an electric guitar and his bare hands to kill his friend.

"In my 13 years of doing this, that was the most brutal scene that I have ever seen," Moses Marquez, with the Grants Police Department, told CNN affiliate KOAT.

Perry allegedly told the officers that he and his friend were drinking when the victim began “to change into a zombie” and tried to bite him.

Police arrived after concerned residents called 911 to say a man was running around the apartment complex threatening people with a knife and they found the victim's body inside an apartment.

Perry is now being charged with murder.

Man kills friend after binge watching ?Walking Dead? | New York's PIX11 / WPIX-TV

z31maniac 10-27-2015 10:11 AM

Me thinks they were doing more than drinking.

Braineack 10-27-2015 10:11 AM

watching walking dead, anymore, leads me to just wanting to kill myself.

Braineack 10-27-2015 11:14 AM

They actually DID arrest the other girl int eh video that voiced "what the fuck is going on?!"

Student Arrested Says She Was Standing Up for Classmate



..."I know this girl don't got nobody and I couldn't believe this was happening," Kenny explained. "I had never seen nothing like that in my life, a man use that much force on a little girl. A big man, like 300 pounds of full muscle. I was like 'no way, no way.' You can't do nothing like that to a little girl. I'm talking about she's like 5'6"."

Kenny says her classmate was not participating and was asked to leave the room by her teacher. When she refused an administrator was called in and asked her to leave. She refused and Officer Fields was called in, asking her the same thing.

Kenny filmed a part of the altercation on her phone. The six second video shows Officer Fields arresting the student.

"I was screaming 'What the f, what the f is this really happening?' I was praying out loud for the girl," says Kenny. "I just couldn't believe this was happening I was just crying and he said, since you have so much to say you are coming too. I just put my hands behind my back."

Her mother Doris Kenny was shocked and upset when she saw the video.

"My child, and I'm not mad at her, she was brave enough to speak out against what was going on and didn't back down and it resulted in her being arrested," says Doris Kenny.

Her daughter was charged with disturbing schools.

"But looking at the video, who was really disturbing schools? Was it my daughter or the officer who came in to the classroom and did that to the young girl?"

I wonder if the cop arrested himself for violating policy, let alone the law.

Braineack 10-27-2015 11:21 AM

oh police, youre just so awesome. were so glad youre here to keep us safe!



On the evening of Sept 2nd 2015 I flew into Chicago O'Hare after a long business trip. I walked a quarter of a mile away from the terminal to order a Lyft. (My preferred Taxi service that I stay loyal to).

While waiting on the side of the road with my luggage I was approached by a male and female in "Plain Clothes". I thought they were Airport Security and they asked me if I was aware I was standing on the side of the road. I informed them that I was completely aware that I was standing on the side of the road while waiting for my ride home. I was exhausted and not in the mood to be bothered by anyone unless they were going to take me home. They asked me who was picking me up. Annoyed by the intrusive questions I quickly replied "MY Girlfriend". I was not in the mood to continue this conversation. I then asked if it was illegal to stand on the side of the road.
They told me it was illegal. This is obviously not true.

At this point my Taxi showed up and parked a few hundred yards ahead of their vehicle. I bid the individuals questioning me good night, loaded my belongings into the taxi, got in the passenger side seat and began the final leg of my journey home.

The individuals immediately began to follow me in the Taxi, and pulled the driver over. I then realized that these must be police officers that were not in uniform.

The male officer (Michael Orlando Badge #5594), approached the driver side window as the female officer stayed out of sight (Jamie Gillardo badge # 9431). Orlando began yelling at me and accusing me of lying to him. I attempted to explain that I was simply not in the mood for unwarranted questions and he continued to yell at the driver and I. At this point I began to fear for my well being and began to video tape the officer. He immediately stopped yelling but continued using scare tactics.

He ordered us out of the car once an additional Police Officer arrived on the scene. This officer was in a uniform and was clearly a police officer. I put my cell phone in my pocket while it was still recording as the new officer ordered me to put my hands on the roof of the car as he patted me down. It was obvious he knew I was recording because he immediately located my cell phone, pulled it out of sleep mode and stopped it from recording anything in addition. I was never able to obtain this officers name and badge number, but he video taped himself on accident while fumbling with my phone. It is very brief and within the last few seconds of this video. I was able to capture a still frame using my limited technical abilities and I made it the thumbnail to this video.

As he fumbled with the phone to try to delete the video I asked him if what he was doing was legal. He screamed in my face something along the lines of "You better fucking believe this is legal", and he followed up with "You may be big shit where you are from but you are in my territory and I AM KING". The officer then continued to yell in my face trying to make me verbally admit that "HE was the King". He and officer Orlando then began taking turns screaming at me. At some point they began yelling at me about 3 officers that had recently been shot. I asked them what that had to do with me taking a taxi and they just kept screaming. He eventually handed me my cell phone without successfully deleting the video because it eventually required a code to unlock.

They also berated me for assuming they were security and accused me of thinking I am better than other people. I never insinuated that a security guard is anything to be ashamed of. They injected this into the conversation along with many other things that I am to tired to go over at this time. I whole heartedly feel that they were doing and saying all of these horrible things in an attempt to get me to lose my cool. I refused to give them any reason to place me under arrest, no matter how hard they tried. I just wanted to go home.

Eventually Officer Orlando offered me a "Solution". He would let us go if I deleted the video footage that I had taken of him. I declined because what he was doing is called extortion, and I feared he would only arrest me once the evidence had been deleted.

I asked them if I was free to go, and they said yes. However they would not let me retrieve my belongings from the Taxi. I was ordered into the back of a police car and taken to the Police Dept in order to retrieve my belongings.

Once we arrived their Supervisor showed up to speak with us. Officer Orlando instantly began treating the driver and I like human beings and denied the fact that he had attempted to black mail me. I sat and waited for a friend to pick me up for fear of getting another college students car impounded. I sat and waited for hours.


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Erat 10-27-2015 12:22 PM

Charged & suspended:
2 Detroit police officers charged with theft, misconduct

Charles Lynem, 28, and Chancellor Searcy, 31, were arraigned this morning in 36th District Court on the felony charges that included embezzlement by an agent or trustee, larceny and filing a false report. Both officers stood mute and not guilty pleas were entered on their behalf.

Braineack 10-27-2015 12:39 PM

I thought all criminals were guilty? how can an officer who arrested himself for a crime be innocent?

oh yeah thats right, cops dont obey the law, nor arrest themselves.

Braineack 10-28-2015 07:58 AM

This kid's girlfriend got caught buying a plant -- and he made a dumb decision to run.

this cop decided he should murder him for it without due process.



DA declined to press charges.

Braineack 10-28-2015 08:06 AM

Just to understand the logic of that cop:

Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops - ABC News


A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.

“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”

He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.

Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.

Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.

Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.

But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.

Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.

Cop logic: jump in front of beside a moving car, so you can be scared, so you can kill someone instead of having to give chase.

Braineack 10-28-2015 08:10 AM

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cops in schools doesnt stop the bad stuff, it just makes hyper kids criminals.

The school-to-prison pipeline, explained - Vox


1) Concerns about crime led schools to adopt 'zero tolerance' policies

2) Schools have outsourced discipline to juvenile courts and officers in schools

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446034258

3) Black students are more likely to be disciplined

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446034258

4) Even when schools aren't deliberately sending children into the juvenile justice system, disciplining them makes it more likely they'll end up there

5) The Education Department is pushing schools to change their discipline policies

6) Some school districts are taking the matter into their own hands




Braineack 10-28-2015 08:12 AM

the hallucast wasnt real.


Braineack 10-28-2015 08:14 AM

your non-compliance is a threat.



nevermind what youre doing, lady-man, is a violation of federal law...but that's okay -- youre the queen.

Braineack 10-28-2015 08:15 AM

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Braineack 10-28-2015 08:18 AM

violate a ticketable offense?

dont worrty, we'll forcefully arrest you instead.

the hallucaust isn't real.



Braineack 10-28-2015 10:37 AM

even other cops flee from cops.

maybe he thought if he ran they'd shoot him an assist his suicide?

KCSO: Arrested sheriff?s deputy escapes from custody - The Bakersfield Californian


A Kern County sheriff’s deputy who had been arrested over the weekend on suspicion of brandishing a firearm at children was rearrested Tuesday night — but fled from a patrol car before he could be booked into jail, the sheriff’s department said.

“Somehow Deputy (Edward) Tucker was able to escape” from the rear seat of a patrol car, sheriff’s spokesman Ray Pruitt told The Californian early Wednesday morning.

A search was underway for the 44-year-old deputy near the Central Receiving Facility in downtown Bakersfield. Bakersfield Police were assisting in the manhunt, and as of 2:30 a.m., Tucker had not been found.

Patrol cars swarmed the area, and a sheriff’s helicopter could be heard late Tuesday night.

...

There was “some indication he may have been able to slip his handcuffs,” Pruitt said.

Tucker has been a deputy with the Sheriff’s Office for nearly 19 years and has been on “approved leave” since October 2014. Earlier Tuesday Pruitt said he couldn’t say whether that leave was paid or unpaid, as it involved a personnel matter.

Tucker’s initial arrest was Saturday. He was arrested on suspicion of brandishing a firearm in front of a residence in the 3100 block of Belle Terrace, being under the influence of a controlled substance while in possession of a firearm, possession of a controlled substance, driving under the influence, and felony willful cruelty to a child.

He had been released on bail sometime between his arrest Saturday and Tuesday, but it wasn’t immediately known exactly when.

Shortly after 2:30 a.m. Wednesday, the Sheriff’s Office issued a news release saying Tucker was arrested in the park Tuesday on suspicion of being under the influence of a controlled substance, being under the influence of a controlled substance while armed with a firearm, possession of methamphetamine, possession of an illegal weapon, and possession of paraphernalia.

A wanted poster described him as white, 5 feet 7 inches tall, weighing 170 pounds, with black hair and brown eyes.

Joe Perez 10-28-2015 11:10 AM

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Shot in the neck, still intent on raping and murdering citizens:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446045049

Braineack 10-28-2015 11:44 AM

Still hatin' on police:

How should the Spring Valley High arrest been handled? - CNN Video


Anderson Cooper breaks down the classroom arrest video with Sheriff Leon Lott as he decides whether the officer should keep his job.

Braineack 10-28-2015 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279167)
Shot in the neck, still intent on raping and murdering citizens:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446045049

Whoa! Someone who signed up for a dangerous job had to face danger in the line of duty when he repsonded to a call of a man whom killed his baby and mother-in-law after his wife filed divorce from him because he was a lunatic?

Imagine if our miltary were such pussies...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e0a1b40a78.jpg

Braineack 10-28-2015 12:03 PM


Braineack 10-28-2015 12:11 PM

record all things:



Show me in the video where the photgrapher "attempted to grab the documents and was told to stop"

Braineack 10-28-2015 12:12 PM

cops really like violating federal law.



watch the end of the video, those police are wearing their offical uniforms but are actually working for a private company -- enforcing the wishes of a private individual, not the law. Of course, all while breaking state and federal laws themselves.

god they hated being called out on being a bunch of fairies.

Braineack 10-28-2015 02:38 PM

UPDATE:

S.C. Deputy Fired After He Threw Student Across Classroom: Sheriff | NBC4 Washington


A deputy was fired Wednesday after video showed him flipping a teen backward out of her desk and tossing her across a classroom, with the sheriff saying the officer did not follow proper procedures and training.

Richland County Senior Deputy Ben Fields was told of his firing late Wednesday morning, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said. Fields had been a school resource officer at Spring Valley High School.

WTF FIRED?! we have no context!!!!!!

Joe Perez 10-28-2015 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279232)
WTF FIRED?! we have no context!!!!!!

I think it's pretty clear, regardless of what happened before the video, that the officer used excessive force in helping a belligerent but nonviolent minor out of her chair.

You're kind of the last person I'd expect to be standing up for the officer in this situation.

Was summary dismissal a bit harsh prior to the investigation (as opposed to unpaid leave)? Probably, But it's a black cop and a white girl, and it's probably better in the grand scheme of things to sacrifice him in order to forestall more violence.

mgeoffriau 10-28-2015 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279237)
I think it's pretty clear, regardless of what happened before the video, that the officer used excessive force in helping a belligerent but nonviolent minor out of her chair.

You're kind of the last person I'd expect to be standing up for the officer in this situation.

Was summary dismissal a bit harsh prior to the investigation (as opposed to unpaid leave)? Probably, But it's a black cop and a white girl, and it's probably better in the grand scheme of things to sacrifice him in order to forestall more violence.

He got you.

Joe Perez 10-28-2015 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 1279240)
He got you.

Did he?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446058778

Braineack 10-29-2015 07:49 AM

Live Oak, Florida Police Sergeant Arrested on Child Pornography Charges


A Live Oak police sergeant is facing federal charges for child pornography.

The FBI arrested Sgt. Kyle Kirby around 9 a.m. today and took him directly to its detention facility in Jacksonville after it searched his home last week for child pornography.


Live Oak Police Chief Buddy Williams said he first became aware last Thursday when the FBI met with him at the police department to serve the search warrant.

“That’s when the bomb was dropped,” Williams said.

Agents went through Kirby’s home after he was called into Williams’s office.

The LOPD cooperated but was not involved in the investigation in any capacity, Williams said.

The department turned in one work laptop issued to Kirby to the FBI.

Kirby was suspended on the day of the search.

His first appearance in front of a judge is set for 3 p.m. today, at which time the details of the investigation will become unsealed.

Kirby is well-known in the community and worked frequently with youth, particularly as an athletics coach, Williams said. He has a wife and children, around the ages of 12 and 15, the chief added.

There will be further investigation by the FBI about his involvement with local youth, Williams said.

“It’s something that we all, right now, are just really having a hard time processing,” Williams said. “The only way to face something like this is head-on.”

Kirby was hired at the LOPD in September 2002.

This is an ongoing breaking story. Check back here for more details.

Braineack 10-29-2015 07:52 AM


Braineack 10-29-2015 07:54 AM

NYPD. #1. nicest people you can meet, just hand you cash.

Deaf Woman To Get $750,000 For Hellish Ordeal With NYPD


A New York City woman, who is deaf and says NYPD officers wrongfully arrested her and then ignored her pleas for an American Sign Language interpreter, has settled her lawsuit against the city for $750,000, a sum her lawyers say is the largest ever deaf discrimination settlement for a single person.

"Our client is pleased that she can now move on with her life and put this horrific situation behind her," Andrew Rozynski and Eric Baum, the lawyers representing 58-year-old Diana Williams, said in a statement Tuesday.

"Due to the immense barriers they face when trying to communicate with the hearing world, Deaf individuals often find themselves without a voice to assert their rights," Rozynski and Baum added. "Deaf individuals have rights, and they do not have to tolerate discrimination and injustices of any kind."

Williams and her husband, Chris Williams, both of whom are deaf, are landlords of a building in Staten Island. On Sept. 11, 2011, when the couple were trying to evict tenants who hadn't paid rent, the boyfriend of one of the tenants allegedly gestured that he had a gun.

Chris then called for police using a video relay service -- which the couple later argued should've signified to police that they would need a sign language translator. But when officers arrived on the scene there was no translator, and it was only the tenant and the boyfriend, both of whom can hear, who could communicate their side of the story.

Some deaf tenants in the building later testified that the officers rejected their offers to translate for Williams, who cannot hear, speak English or read lips. Instead, Williams was arrested for allegedly getting into a fight with one of the tenants.

Panicked, Williams attempted to scrawl "HOSPITAL" in the dust on the window of the police cruiser, according to The New York Daily News. She made it to "HOSP."

Williams was detained for 24 hours, during which a translator was never provided. She was released without charge.

Braineack 10-29-2015 07:55 AM

UPDATE:


after three motnths of investigating themselves, they found they did nothing wrong.


The Officer was in the neighborhood in response to complaints that someone in the neighborhood was violating City parking codes. While checking registration on cars he noticed a man standing on the sidewalk by a truck. The officer saw the resident quickly duck behind the truck after his patrol car came into view.

The officer considered this suspicious behavior, and decided to investigate further.
After the Officer got out of his patrol car, he also noticed other unusual behavior, including the resident’s agitated demeanor and his initial refusal to comply with the officer’s instruction to remove his hand from his pocket, which had a bulge in it.
After three months, I wonder if they even watched the video...

Braineack 10-29-2015 07:58 AM

school resource officer:



In one of the most shocking cases of police brutality inside a school, 17-year-old Noe Niño de Rivera spent 52 days in a medically induced coma after police tased him at school in November 2013. He was permanently brain injured. Last year Bastrop County in Texas settled a federal lawsuit for $775,000 with his family. We speak to his attorney, Adam Loewy.

Braineack 10-29-2015 08:47 AM

cops are a protected class of thugs that are allowed to go around mrudering peopl eindiscrimiatly so long as they pretend to be "doing police work"

Deputies knock on wrong door, shoot, kill armed Lake Co. man | www.wftv.com


...three Lake County deputies were out of line when they charged into an apartment complex looking for a suspect and killed an innocent man instead.

On Monday night, friends of Andrew Scott laid flowers on the front step where he was shot and killed.

"Certainly, the police will be held accountable for this by way of a wrongful death suit," said WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer.

He believes it all has to do with the fact that the deputies did not identify themselves when they pounded on the victim's door in the middle of the night.

Officials said the incident started when deputies were looking forattempted murder suspect 31-year-old Jonathan Brown at the Blueberry Hill apartment complex on Ryan Drive in Leesburg.

According to authorities, Brown fled from deputies on a motorcycle, which they later found parked in front of Apartment 114. However, that was not the apartment in which Brown lived.

Three deputies were in uniform when they banged on Scott's door of Apartment 114 around 1:30 a.m. Sunday, believing Brown was inside.

Deputies said they admit they knocked on the wrong apartment door but said they had to open fire when 26-year-old Scott came out, armed with a gun.

Scott was shot and killed, according to the Lake County Sheriff's Office.

Originally, the Sheriff's Office said deputies had announced who they were.

But an email the Sheriff's Office sent Sunday revealed deputies "didn't announce and identify themselves" and called it a "minor detail."

And on Monday, the Sheriff's Office told WFTV's Kathi Belich that deputies didn't have to identify themselves at all.

A spokesman with the Sheriff's Office told Belich that all deputies saw when the door opened was the muzzle of a gun, and they did what they had to protect themselves.

But friends of Scott WFTV talked to said deputies are painting him in the wrong light.

A friend of Scott's called him a gentle giant and said he's the one who gave Scott the gun for his protection. He said Scott had just gotten home from working late when the deputies came to his door.

"They banged on the door. They didn't yell out, 'Lake County Sheriff!' They weren't being loud; vocal. The guy opened the door at 2 in the morning," said a witness who did not want to be identified.

"I saw him six hours before (the shooting), and he was fine," said one of Scott's friends. "When I heard about it I thought it was a joke."

Drugs and drug paraphernalia were found in Scott's home, deputies said.

K-9 Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot and killed Scott, was wearing a black utility vest with the word "sheriff" on the front.

WFTV learned in the six weeks before Sunday's shooting, Sylvester has been working around 40 hours of overtime per two-week pay period.

WFTV asked if that could've been a factor.

"Regardless of how tired he was, regardless of how much overtime he had this week, or last week, or the last three weeks, or the last month, he took the action he was forced to take that given moment," said Lt. John Herrell of the Lake County Sheriff's Office.
No matter what, the Sheriff's Office said, Scott opened the door with the gun pointed at them, and at this point, there's no indication anyone said anything before Sylvester opened fire.

"This individual was in his home. He was at a place he had a right to be. He's awoken early in the morning by someone banging at his door; certainly he had a right to go to that door armed," said Sheaffer.

In some cases, officers don't identify themselves for the element of surprise if they don't want a suspect to get away. But the only way in or out of Scott's apartment is through the front door and the front windows.

"The bottom line is police went to the wrong house. This was an otherwise innocent person, and he was shot to death," said Sheaffer.

The officers could have surrounded the front and then identified themselves, especially since the officers did not actually see Brown go into the door.

"It was the middle of the night, so they felt it'd be more tactically advantageous to just knock on the door, and that's what we did," said Herrell.

"If the name of the law enforcement agency was announced, do you think this could've been prevented?" asked WFTV reporter Ryan Hughes.

"Well, based upon what we found inside his home -- drugs, scales, pipes, baggies -- I can't answer that. I don't know what he thought," Herrell said.

Sylvester never used his dog to track the suspect. Investigators said Brown's motorcycle was still hot and was parked in front of the door.

They eventually caught Brown at his apartment, which is in the next building.

Sylvester is now on administrative leave. He was also involved in last week's deputy shooting behind an Advanced Auto Parts store in Eustis.

WFTV was told he's a police dog handler and that he witnessed two other deputies kill Gilberto Rivera.

The Sheriff's Office said Rivera had just killed the auto shop clerk he was stalking and wounded another employee.

The deputy who fired the shot that killed Rivera has been placed on administrative leave.

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 10:12 AM

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A dead cop is a good cop:

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Braineack 10-29-2015 10:43 AM

Was the above cop a criminal?

if so, then we've already established that accused criminals have no rights to life. And all the others around him should be guilty by association and also killed.

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279439)
Was the above cop a criminal?

All cops are criminals.

Braineack 10-29-2015 11:03 AM

well then. If a cop is a criminal, and all criminals should be dead, then all cops should be dead.

I Kant do anything about it...

Braineack 10-29-2015 11:07 AM

or better:

Thanks, Obama.



A few months ago, Obama turned on American police officers when he blamed them for the violent race riots spreading throughout the country, instead of the race-baiting protesters themselves.

Since then, the number of attacks on U.S. cops has dramatically increased as thugs now feel that it is ok to attack police officers because “the president said they could.”

...

The blood of this officer, like thousands of other murdered cops, is on Obama’s hands. The president MUST call for an end to violence against police, or else thousands of other officers will die at the hands of thugs.

Braineack 10-29-2015 11:10 AM

BTW.

the above image is a Italian miltary police officer who was shot in 2013; not pictured were another officer and a citizen also shot.


Mr. Alfano said it also appeared that Mr. Preiti had intended to commit suicide, but told officers that he had run out of bullets.

A prosecutor working on the investigation said that Mr. Preiti had intended to target politicians. “He’s a man full of problems who has lost his job, he’d lost everything, he’d had to move back home, he was desperate,” the prosecutor, Pierfilippo Laviani, told the news agency ANSA. Mr. Preiti had planned the attack 20 days ago, according to news media reports.

“He wanted to strike politicians, but when he couldn’t reach them, he shot the police,” Mr. Laviani said.

After the swearing-in ceremony, Mr. Letta met with his ministers for a cabinet meeting that had been scheduled beforehand. The new government will face a confidence vote in Parliament this week.

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279449)
BTW.

the above image is a Italian miltary police officer who was shot in 2013;

And these two were Ukrainian civilian police officers:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446134056

A good cop is a dead cop.

Braineack 10-29-2015 12:06 PM

find a post in this thread where I (or anyone else that I can think of) have advocated violence or death against police.

and then should I find all the times you've suggested 100% completely innocent people should die or be harmed because the were annoying/noncomplient/in wrong place/black/a jew to your hilter?

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279464)
find a post in this thread where I (or anyone else that I can think of) have advocated violence or death against police.

Post # 6156.




Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279464)
and then should I find all the times you've suggested 100% completely innocent people should die or be harmed because the were annoying/noncomplient/in wrong place/black/a jew to your hilter?

You've made it clear that you oppose restrictions on the civilian ownership of firearms, and support the possession and use of firearms for the purpose of killing people. The only qualifying factor you impose on this is that the people being killed must fit certain criteria of behavior which you deem to constitute justification. Eg: they are actively engaged in assaulting / raping / killing someone else who is not a police officer and whom you deem not to have subjectively qualified as deserving of said treatment. You ascribe the term "innocent" to these individuals.


You and I are really agreeing upon the same fundamental concepts here. I simply prefer that the mandate to kill another human be vested in an authority which is constitutionally-sanctioned, governed by the rules of law and due process, and accountable to the public, rather than being distributed to the impulse judgement of private individuals, be they police officers or just some random hillbilly who lives within tobacco-spitting distance of the nearest Wal-Mart gun aisle.


We both want to protect the innocent from the criminal. I'm just proposing that we adopt a clear mandate, rather than leaving it to mob justice as you have so often suggested.

Braineack 10-29-2015 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279480)
Post # 6156.

*that wasn't obvious satire / hyperbole / sarcasm.


I use the term innocent, because in many of the stories I've posted here people are completely innocent of any law violation. Any even if they aren't it doesn't matter, they have the right not to be murdered before they go to a judge.

Being an asshole isn't agianst the law, in no way should that constitute violence against your person by way of the state. I reject your mandate.

speaking of mobs:


...But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his.
I wholeheartly believe the above.

It's not the police's job to phyically harm people -- And I've never said a police officer can't defend himself from harm -- but they need to repsond appropriately. Just because you have the authoriztion to use deadly force in certain situations doesn't mean that's how you always need to respond with suchs levels of force.

A stupid kid trying to drive away from a cop because his girlfriend was caught buying drugs should never be a death sentense. Cops are a trained to kill, they are no longer trained to simply enforce laws.

You're the one that wants to go back to the 1850's where the San Franscisco vigilantes ran around killing everyone that they didn't like -- Litterally mob justice. I just want those who yeild power be held accountable for their actions and be given the same treatment as any other person when they operate outside the law.


As [the vigilantes] controlled the press, they wrote their own history, and the world generally gives them the credit of having purged San Francisco of rowdies and roughs; but their success has given great stimulus to a dangerous principle, that would at any time justify the mob in seizing all the power of government; and who is to say that the Vigilance Committee may not be composed of the worst, instead of the best, elements of a community? Indeed, in San Francisco, as soon as it was demonstrated that the real power had passed from the City Hall to the committee room, the same set of bailiffs, constables, and rowdies that had infested the City Hall were found in the employment of the "Vigilantes."

good2go 10-29-2015 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279480)
...

I simply prefer that the mandate to kill another human be vested in an authority which is constitutionally-sanctioned, governed by the rules of law and due process, and accountable to the public ...

A comforting notion indeed, but I thought the whole point of this thread was to vividly illustrate how the existence of such an authority may be a myth. :dunno:

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by good2go (Post 1279487)
A comforting notion indeed, but I thought the whole point of this thread was to vividly illustrate how the existence of such an authority may be a myth. :dunno:

I get the impression that you are confusing the police with the judiciary, or viewing them as functionally indistinguishable or inseparable.


Brainey argues that the police should not have the authority to summarily execute people, but that ordinary citizens should have the authority to summarily execute people if they deem it to be reasonable.

I agree that the police should not have the authority to summarily execute people, and propose that the judicial branch, which already possesses and exercises this authority, albeit on a limited basis, should have said authority expanded to authorize capital punishment for crimes which are comparable to treason, but in peacetime.

I also allow for the fact (post # 6088) that there are alternatives to capital punishment which are similarly effective, though slightly more costly.


Nopony here is arguing in favor of the police acting as executioners. I'm merely breathing a sigh of relief every time they do happen to illegally execute someone who would have otherwise slipped through the cracks of the judiciary as it exists today. No harm, no foul, as they say.

In other words, both police reform (limitation of power) and judicial reform (expansion of powers) are necessary.

Braineack 10-29-2015 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279493)
Brainey argues that the police should not have the authority to summarily execute people, but that ordinary citizens should have the authority to summarily execute people if they deem it to be reasonable.

Is this CNBC?


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mgeoffriau 10-29-2015 02:02 PM

Since when does a citizen's right to self-defense equal "summary execution"? The homocide isn't delivered as a just punishment for the conviction of a crime, it's a secondary consequence of using violent force to stop an assault.

Braineack 10-29-2015 02:21 PM

Dont make me get scared.

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 1279517)
The homocide isn't delivered as a just punishment for the conviction of a crime, it's a secondary consequence of using violent force to stop an assault.

This is exactly the same thing as killing people who are assholes. Their death is a secondary consequence of using violent force to stop them from assaulting society as a whole.

And I support that wholeheartedly, even going so far as to begrudgingly tolerate it when it occurs on an ad-hoc basis as the consequence of illegal police homicides. (It's a non-optimal means of achieving a desirable outcome, in the absence of more palatable options.)

I also recognize that there are non-lethal alternatives, as I've detailed in the past. Segregation, internment and exile are all completely practical and non-violent means of achieving the same goal.


That can't be said for Brainey's "give everyone a gun and let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by" proposal.

mgeoffriau 10-29-2015 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279532)
This is exactly the same thing as killing people who are assholes. Their death is a secondary consequence of using violent force to stop them from assaulting society as a whole.

No, that's an utterly ridiculous argument. I'm not bothering with this.

Braineack 10-29-2015 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279532)
That can't be said for Brainey's "give everyone a gun and let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by" proposal.

Isn't this exactly what I've been here advocating against?

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279549)
Isn't this exactly what I've been here advocating against?

I went back and did some some light spot-checking in the various threads which concern guns, gun-ownership and gun-regulation.

I'm pretty sure that the tenor of your opinions in these threads can broadly be summarized as "don't restrict the ability of private citizens who have no particular training in constitutional law or conflict-resolution, and who are not part of a regulated militia or other organized body sanctioned with the duty of maintaining civil order, to own and carry firearms."


Or are you even more of a liberal than I thought? :giggle:

Braineack 10-29-2015 03:10 PM

you skipped the whole: ...let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by



I heard the getsapo were great at conflict-resolution.

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279562)
you skipped the whole: ...let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by

I thought it was implied. You haven't offered any specific suggestions as to what certifications or organizational memberships should be a prerequisite to accessing the second amendment.

Braineack 10-29-2015 03:45 PM

The hero warrior state legislature is in fear and ready to create laws
 
US citizenship. I thought that was implied.

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279572)
US citizenship. I thought that was implied.

So, given that the only requirement for US citizenship is "be born here and have a pulse," that's basically the same thing as "let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by."

Whether it's evil, racist cops or untrained and uneducated citizens, either way you have people shooting whoever they feel threatened by with no recourse except to charge them with manslaughter / murder after the fact.

My way (let the courts decide who lives and who dies before killing them) is much more civil. It's also the law of the land.

Braineack 10-29-2015 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1279579)
So, given that the only requirement for US citizenship is "be born here and have a pulse," that's basically the same thing as "let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by."

not even close.


not even remotely close.



the 2nd amendment gives us the right to own and bear guns, not to "let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by."

I find it odd that someone that has an issue with people "shoot[ing] whoever they feel threatened by" supports the police to "shoot whoever they feel threatened by".

Braineack 10-29-2015 04:37 PM


cops do not need to know the law they are "enforcing" (when they arent busy shoot[ing] whoever they feel threatened by)


An unnamed Naples cop is on administrative leave this week after he was caught on camera flipping off a citizen.

The video, posted to Facebook on Wednesday by David Tripp, shows the officer callously walking up to the innocent man and flipping him off — something that cops have a tendency to arrest people for.

Braineack 10-29-2015 04:40 PM

no hall pass, no problem.

School Cop Punches 16-Year-Old Student in the Face for Not Having a Hall Pass | The Free Thought Project


A school resource officer was recently arrested after he was caught assaulting a student on a surveillance recording. The student had reportedly been in the hallway without a pass, and after he was confronted by officer Thomas Jaha, he went to get a drink of water.

Since he did not leave the hallway immediately and go directly back to class, Jaha went into a rage and attacked the 16-year old boy. Jaha is now facing a misdemeanor assault charge.

Jaha says that the student took an “aggressive stance” so he began to strike the boy, and it was all caught on the school’s video surveillance camera.

“He struck a student twice in the head after this student got in an aggressive stance and faced the master sergeant,” Capt. Paco Balderrama of the Oklahoma City Police Department said.

In the video, the student can be seen walking out of the bathroom with the officer, and while, on his way back to class, he stops at the water fountain for a drink. The water fountain was directly next to the bathroom that they were walking out of, and the teen did not have to go out of his way or waste any time to get a drink of water. The student’s choice to get a drink of water along the way was seen as a sign of disrespect by the officer, who then took it upon himself to assault the boy.

While the teenager did not hit the officer at any time, the officer claims that he hit him in self-defense because the boy allegedly took an aggressive stance and balled his fists, which is not depicted in the video.

mgeoffriau 10-29-2015 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279581)
I find it odd that someone that has an issue with people "shoot[ing] whoever they feel threatened by" supports the police to "shoot whoever they feel threatened by".

If history has taught us anything, isn't it that creating a special, protected class of individuals with more rights than everyone else and little accountability to anyone above them generally is to everyone's benefit?

Joe Perez 10-29-2015 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1279581)
the 2nd amendment gives us the right to own and bear guns, not to "let 'em shoot whoever they feel threatened by."

Quite true.

And, obviously, there's never any debate or disagreement about whether an untrained civilian with a gun was justified in shooting someone.

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default...immerman_0.jpg


In today's news, here are a bunch of upstanding citizens exercising their second amendment rights, and using good judgement in doing so.




Passing anti-gun laws does not stop criminals from using guns.

Passing pro-gun laws does not stop idiots from exercising bad judgement.


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