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Old 10-14-2011, 04:13 PM   #1
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ok i will start

bush: broke record of added debt by adding 4 trillion in four years
started middle eastern wars

obama: called obama unpatriotic for adding that much debt in eight years then he added the same in 2.5 years


he promised to bring the troops home first thing when he got into office and said we could take that to the bank
you all know how that turned out



i am in favor of neither of those two i mentioned
i am only showing their similarities
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Bush also added over 50,000 extra regulations to business, they both stunk -- what's the point
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Bush also added over 50,000 extra regulations to business, they both stunk -- what's the point
yes they both stink
you got the point right there
they arent as different as alot of people think they are

and i intend on this thread to be much more vague than just economics
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well post any video of him campagining, and I'm sure we can find a video of him doing/saying the opposite.
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well post any video of him campagining, and I'm sure we can find a video of him doing/saying the opposite.
This is true of both of them!

The problem we have is that people expect gov't to "do" stuff for them.
Then they grant gov't the legitimacy and power to "do" said stuff.

Frederique Bastiat said "gov't is the great fiction by which everyone tries to live off of everybody else"

The solution is for people to understand that society and gov't are 2 different things, and the proper role of gov't is much smaller than is generally assumed todya.
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I feel like I don't understand the purpose of this thread.

Bush sucked. Obama sucks marginally more. What's there to debate?
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well alot of people are passionate about how they love obama

i just wanted to see what those people have to say

apparently they aren't on this site

i like this site
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There are those of us that sit on the other side of the fence, but most of us just keep quiet because on the internet, there is no such thing as a political/religious/<insert strong belief here> 'debate'. There are circle jerks.
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there are those who bash and those who can respectfully disagree

that is how you know the children from the adults
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There are those of us that sit on the other side of the fence, but most of us just keep quiet because on the internet, there is no such thing as a political/religious/<insert strong belief here> 'debate'. There are circle jerks.
Im with this guy.
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I feel like I don't understand the purpose of this thread.

Bush sucked. Obama sucks marginally more. What's there to debate?
And the next one will suck, because one man can only do so much for our fucked up country. It'll take a fundamental change in our system to even hope to fix our problems, or some of them. One man on top will do nothing, no matter who he is. Plus politicians are ******* useless.
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There are those of us that sit on the other side of the fence, but most of us just keep quiet because on the internet, there is no such thing as a political/religious/<insert strong belief here> 'debate'. There are circle jerks.
oh and if you only discuss politics with like minded people then you wont get different points of view. essentially if you are only discussing with like minded people then your mind is a bit closed



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And the next one will suck, because one man can only do so much for our fucked up country. It'll take a fundamental change in our system to even hope to fix our problems, or some of them. One man on top will do nothing, no matter who he is. Plus politicians are ******* useless.
i agree with you except for the "i'll even just take hope"

im not saying we will get it
but i demand results
i expect no less and no politician deserves recognition without it
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There are those of us that sit on the other side of the fence, but most of us just keep quiet because on the internet, there is no such thing as a political/religious/<insert strong belief here> 'debate'. There are circle jerks.
I think people who don't read are closed minded...
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Legalize it.
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And the next one will suck, because one man can only do so much for our fucked up country.
No, he will suck because the voting process is a contest for which psychopath has the most money and support from the politically influential groups behind him.

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It'll take a fundamental change in our system to even hope to fix our problems, or some of them.
What it takes is for people to realize that gov't by its nature, is the wrong institution to solve the majority of society's problems.

It will only change when the Fed Gov collapses fiscally. I believe this is only 5 years out. The accounting CANNOT be escaped. Then we the people will realize that de-centralization of power and self-rule are some two of the correct guiding principles.


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One man on top will do nothing, no matter who he is. Plus politicians are ******* useless.
There you go.
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There are those of us that sit on the other side of the fence, but most of us just keep quiet because on the internet, there is no such thing as a political/religious/<insert strong belief here> 'debate'. There are circle jerks.
<Braineack, JasonC SSB, Sixshooter, mgeoffriau, jacob300zx> circle jerk to be specific.

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oh and if you only discuss politics with like minded people then you wont get different points of view. essentially if you are only discussing with like minded people then your mind is a bit closed
See previous circle jerk related comment. Go into just about any "Current Events, News, Politics" thread and you'll see the same guys furiously beating one another's meat.
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All you have to do is speak up. I know y8s and Joe Perez have at various times.
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All you have to do is speak up. I know y8s and Joe Perez have at various times.
I do speak up, and I do agree with you on some stuff (gun stuff). But due to the opinions of those who post most frequently in this section, it does get to feel like a bit of a "grrr obama sucks, no taxes, **** the poor" circle jerk at times.
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Meh, okay. As far as I know, Jason's the only one who tends to take a true anarchist position on things. The rest of us named above (myself included) generally fall somewhere along the micarchist continuum. There's plenty of interesting things to debate or discuss, but only if someone is willing to present an opposing point of view.
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