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Old 11-18-2010, 11:54 AM   #21
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Another thing to consider when we view the military is that it's a huge workplace, but very different than a large corporation. Unfortunately the pay structure isn't merit based and people aren't able to negotiate their contracts when they are given additional job duties. If it was, there would be a lot of people that would end up giving back their entire paycheck. Most guys that I know are out there kicking in doors while working their asses off to keep our world safe and they aren't getting paid nearly what they should be. On the other side of that, there's a whole lot of other people hiding behind desks shuffling paperwork that produce very little and go home early that are getting paid the same amount and I feel they should be getting paid a lot less.
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Here is my .02.

If you joined to protect the country... pay shouldn't be on your mind.
If you joined to get paid... realize the state of our economy and the hardships of EVERYONE... and suck it up you panzy.

Props to those protecting our country... the rest... meh?
Don't be naive... pay shouldn't be on someones mind?


One of the most ignorant things I've heard on here in a while.
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Another thing to consider when we view the military is that it's a huge workplace, but very different than a large corporation. Unfortunately the pay structure isn't merit based and people aren't able to negotiate their contracts when they are given additional job duties. If it was, there would be a lot of people that would end up giving back their entire paycheck. Most guys that I know are out there kicking in doors while working their asses off to keep our world safe and they aren't getting paid nearly what they should be. On the other side of that, there's a whole lot of other people hiding behind desks shuffling paperwork that produce very little and go home early that are getting paid the same amount and I feel they should be getting paid a lot less.
I agree that people kicking down doors should get paid much more... I don't have to risk my life typically but I do work/support some very important systems that ensure people can stay alive.
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Don't be naive... pay shouldn't be on someones mind?


One of the most ignorant things I've heard on here in a while.
People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.

Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
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Well to be fair our military has hardly been used appropriately for years.

Needs more rattlesnake.

1. The rattlesnake is found in no other corner of the world except America.
2. She never begins an attack nor when once engaged, never surrenders…
3. She never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."
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People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.

Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
I agree, but money makes the world go round.
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Oh and there is no God, so **** that.
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Oh and there is no God, so **** that.
<-- Very much not religious.

BUT our country was founded on a moral compass built by religion... thus it carries something there in my head. Some link to a past moral/ethical compass lost to so many people these days. Only reason the god/country bit was combined.
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Morality ends where a gun begins.
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People lost track of what the Military is and how many used to come to it. With one simple goal, to support and protect our country. The days of gentleman, respect and god/country are long over it seems like. Except for a shrinking few I guess.

Unless of course my father and grandfather had it all wrong. I'm still glad I didn't follow through with pursuing the military route. I respect those that choose to protect... the rest... sorry I don't. There are so many days I'm not sure this country is worth protecting anymore. It is sad.
This is because there are none left, who are of serving age, and remember WWII.
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Oh and there is no God, so **** that.
There are two appropriate ways to deal with religion:
1. Support it
2. Ignore it

If you use any other means to deal with religion (including "denounce it", "attack it", "degrade it", "overrule it", etc.) you may very well be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
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1. To become a zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question.
2. Your own happiness is the moral purpose of your life, with productive achievement as your noblest activity, and reason as your only absolute.
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No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.



Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

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After hundreds of resume sent and dozens of interviews it took me well over a year to finally score a new one.
As your self appointed life coach and moral officer, I offer you congratulations.
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No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.



Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
My Air Force job in the civilian sector makes 6 figures most of the time
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Here is my .02.

If you joined to protect the country... pay shouldn't be on your mind.
If you joined to get paid... realize the state of our economy and the hardships of EVERYONE... and suck it up you panzy.

Props to those protecting our country... the rest... meh?
I'm not trying to start an efight, but that is really ignorant.

That is like saying, you got a job at McDonalds to flip burgers, pay shouldn't be on your mind.

WE HAVE FAMILIES TOO! Why the **** shouldn't money be on our mind?

Sure some people get paid money in the military to do nothing, sure. They don't call it hurry up and wait for nothing. Not all of us are like that. I work 100+ hours a week. 6 days a week. I have 50 soldiers to care for. I go to the field for a week once a month, which means no contact really with friends/family. No warm bed, no TV, no computer. It doesn't really bother me, but some of you would curl up and die.

If you want what we have please join. See what we deal with. If you don't qualify, or don't want to kthxbai. I don't want you ******* sympathy. I do my job because I know what's out there.

There are a lot more things that need to be looked at before they start getting crazy with the military. That is the last thing this country has left. **** them off and game over.
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so we can help cover kids living at home under the age of 26.
I thank you for your support.
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I agree with FRT 2 posts above. Though a week per month in the field is nothing compared to 6 months on a ship or in the desert. The military is not easy unless you go in for a desk jockey job or get lucky and go to shore duty right off the bat for your first (and probably only) enlistment.
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No offense to anyone getting a check from the gov, but 90% of the people are over payed with regards to what they do and how that job looks in the private sector. The government is a fat rich kid eating twinkies all day living off a structured settlement. I've seen figures that put a 1 to 1 ration on public vs private sector jobs. This would include local, state, federal, contractors, postal, welfare, etc. Our government is way to big. With the Federal Reserve antics, size of Gov, and trade policies...were going down folks. If you think Brains post sounds crappy just remember he is extremely lucky compared to a big portion of the population. So yes I think pay cuts and layoffs are in order.



Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow the banking system to control their money, first by inflation, then by deflation; their children will one day wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Many of our jobs pay more in the civilian sector. Especially if you are in one of the "smart guy" jobs. Hell, you can get out as infantry in the army and make double to triple what you make with a private security company. I joined because I love the United States and what it stands for, and what it was built on. Keeping our rights and freedoms safe are far more important that tossing lazy asses money and free medical care. Most civilian jobs don't get called in the middle of the night if **** hits the fan, or have the possibility of getting shipped half way across the world and shot at on short notice. I assure combat pay is far less than it should be. However, there are parts of the government that are fucked up.... I just think that ours are less so than the others. I know of people that are civil servants that get paid to work from home on mondays and fridays. Get paid far more than me. Hell, there is a mentally retarded guy that washes dishes in the basement gets paid more than me. Also, he has to do way less work than an equivilent military co worker because of the labor union. Has cushy hours, and HAS to leave on time every day. Also, cant get called in early. There is a secretary that gets paid a little south of 50k a year to do nothing extremely inefficiently. She basically channels emails (horribly) uses huge amounts of office supplies for personal endeavors and gets a commander coffee while receiving phone calls and forgetting the messages. So.... where does the fat need to get cut? This scenario repeats itself over and over again in my work area, and I am sure the rest of the government. There are constantly 2 people doing one person's worth of work, and getting overpaid to do it.
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