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Old 04-28-2012, 12:18 PM   #1
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Old 04-28-2012, 12:30 PM   #2
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The same surveillance technology, putting video cameras in cellphones, allows citizens to watch the watchmen:

Filming cops:
http://www.copblock.org/tag/filming-police/

Cop tackles cyclist, almost 3M hits:


City council bans videotaping:
http://ozarkgateway.kait8.com/news/n...er-videotaping

On Filming city councils:
http://www.garynorth.com/public/6935.cfm



You know the bastards are dirty when they don't want their activities and decisions videotaped and placed on youtube.

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Old 04-28-2012, 12:47 PM   #3
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The link on the GPS stuff in cars has bothered me ever since I had a student with a CTSV and the car shut down on track because OnStar thought there was a crash. This is yet another reason I will always drive old-*** cars.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6411323.html
I love the vid on the cop that wrecks the cyclist. In this article, the terminated cop claims he tackled the man because he was shouting with his hands off the bike and "attempting to disrupt traffic". I'm surprised the cyclist is suing the cop and not the PD all together.
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All data on the net is already captured and analyzed. Done deal.
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Electronic surveillance has existed pretty much since the invention of electronics. It is used by criminals, law enforcement, and everyone in between.

As the cost, size and ease-of-use of any given technology move in favorable directions, the extent to which that technology is employed by all users will increase. This is as immutable as Newton's laws of motion.

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That ---- with the guy on the bike is ------- ridiculous.
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if they ever mandate older cars getting that stupid ------- black box, im gonna have a pile of fines for A. not haiving one B. non functioning one or my personal favorite C. telling them to go ---- themselves when they come to install it.
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Relax, it's just hysterical nonsense.

We will undoubtedly start to see more insurance companies adopt the Progressive model by offering their customers the opportunity to voluntarily use such as system in exchange for lowered insurance premiums on 1996 and newer vehicles, but in terms of the government mandating a retrofit of all existing vehicles for the purpose of surveillance? That will never happen.
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How are they possibly going to know if it's non-functional, except maybe at inspection time? Remove antenna, and plug back in once a year.
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Relax, it's just hysterical nonsense.

We will undoubtedly start to see more insurance companies adopt the Progressive model by offering their customers the opportunity to voluntarily use such as system in exchange for lowered insurance premiums on 1996 and newer vehicles, but in terms of the government mandating a retrofit of all existing vehicles for the purpose of surveillance? That will never happen.
very true, and its not like they cant tap your cell phones gps to see your speed if they wanted too.
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How are they possibly going to know if it's non-functional, except maybe at inspection time? Remove antenna, and plug back in once a year.
well if it is to work anything like onstar, they will let you know when there is a malfunction.
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This is kind of an interesting (if somewhat hokey) patent application:

http://www.peertopatent.org/patent/20090063201/overview

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Intoxication can be determined from measuring braking force, accelerator use and proximity to nearby cars. A “nonintrusive load monitor” algorithm can figure out if a driver is intoxicated, even if different drivers use the car.
I'm pretty sure that such a system would determine that every single member of this forum consumes an entire handle of cheap whiskey every single time we get into our cars.
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I'm still hoping the single manned taxi pod on a high speed rail will come before this gets passed.
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The same surveillance technology, putting video cameras in cellphones, allows citizens to watch the watchmen:

Filming cops:
http://www.copblock.org/tag/filming-police/

Cop tackles cyclist, almost 3M hits:


City council bans videotaping:
http://ozarkgateway.kait8.com/news/n...er-videotaping

On Filming city councils:
http://www.garynorth.com/public/6935.cfm



You know the bastards are dirty when they don't want their activities and decisions videotaped and placed on youtube.
Fug da polic
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Relax, it's just hysterical nonsense.

We will undoubtedly start to see more insurance companies adopt the Progressive model by offering their customers the opportunity to voluntarily use such as system in exchange for lowered insurance premiums on 1996 and newer vehicles, but in terms of the government mandating a retrofit of all existing vehicles for the purpose of surveillance? That will never happen.
You never know with the government. People years ago would have thought some things would never be mandatory but know they are...
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Relax, it's just hysterical nonsense.

We will undoubtedly start to see more insurance companies adopt the Progressive model by offering their customers the opportunity to voluntarily use such as system in exchange for lowered insurance premiums on 1996 and newer vehicles, but in terms of the government mandating a retrofit of all existing vehicles for the purpose of surveillance? That will never happen.
While I generally agree that its still at this time a bit of a far fetch. I think it will happen first as an insurance backed lobby effort "to improve safety and cut litigation costs of he said she said accidents", and then much like cellphone GPS become an avenue for abuse by police.
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Don't get me wrong; I absolutely believe that in-car surveillance of both location and operating parameters will become universal very soon, most likely as a de-facto standard by the manufacturers themselves. We already have "black box" EDR capability in the majority of new cars for recording the last few seconds leading up to an airbag deployment. This is, in part, how Toyota recently managed to vindicate themselves from all the morons who didn't realize that the brake pedal was the bigger one on the left.

I'm just saying that the idea of being forced to go back and retrofit old cars with tracking devices by government mandate is completely absurd, and the mention of such is strong evidence of an author whose mindset is one of fear and hysteria.

Such a retrofit has never occurred for any reason. Hydraulic brakes, electric turn signals, seat belts, laminated windshields, third brake lights, catalytic converters, charcoal canisters, airbags... These things are all mandatory on new cars today, but no car owner was ever forced to go back and retrofit this technology onto their older vehicles.

There has never been a single instance of any western government commanding that all existing vehicles on the road shall be upgraded with some newly-designed technology. I suspect that it's never happened at all, though of course data on such matters in the former USSR and its related protectorates is probably hard to come by.
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This is kind of an interesting (if somewhat hokey) patent application:

http://www.peertopatent.org/patent/20090063201/overview

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Intoxication can be determined from measuring braking force, accelerator use and proximity to nearby cars. A “nonintrusive load monitor” algorithm can figure out if a driver is intoxicated, even if different drivers use the car.
I'm pretty sure that such a system would determine that every single member of this forum consumes an entire handle of cheap whiskey every single time we get into our cars.
There was an auto journalist that tried the voluntary Progressive system. They told him that they saw a strong correlation between frequency of hard braking events and crash rates. Well, IIRC in a few days he burned through a month's budget of "hard braking events" and didn't qualify for the discount.
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All this technology would be great if everyone was honest. Greed will be the death of us all.
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