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Old 04-29-2012, 02:06 AM   #21
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There was an auto journalist that tried the voluntary Progressive system. They told him that they saw a strong correlation between frequency of hard braking events and crash rates. Well, IIRC in a few days he burned through a month's budget of "hard braking events" and didn't qualify for the discount.
That makes sense and would completely depend on the driver. I know people who progressively apply the brakes harder the closer they get to a car, leaving very little room for a loss of traction event, or sudden deceleration of the car they are approaching. On the other hand, some people, including myself, seem to be better at estimating what distance to begin braking at a constant mid-level. I wonder if the reporter is of the second group, but his constant level of braking happens to be too high for whatever rate Progressive determined.
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There was an auto journalist that tried the voluntary Progressive system. They told him that they saw a strong correlation between frequency of hard braking events and crash rates. Well, IIRC in a few days he burned through a month's budget of "hard braking events" and didn't qualify for the discount.
I read that article. Road & Track, IIRC. The guy claimed he drives like that all the time, and thought the chirp sound was an "attaboy" instead of a warning.

Guy from work got one (Progressive), and because he had a couple of 'events' (hard braking, fast starts, etc) his rate is more than if he had not gotten the damn thing. It's a racket.
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I read that article. Road & Track, IIRC. The guy claimed he drives like that all the time, and thought the chirp sound was an "attaboy" instead of a warning.
Heh. That was kind of my thought. I'm not sure I'd be able to avoid tripping the system even on an empty road with not a traffic light in sight.



Fortunately, this is all, of course, voluntary. While the insurance companies may well adjust their policies over time such that customers who do not submit to monitoring are treated non-preferentially, the idea of universal compulsory remote surveillance is just implausible.

There's just no need for it. Most of us already voluntarily submit to 24/7 position tracking by carrying cell phones.
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There's just no need for it. Most of us already voluntarily submit to 24/7 position tracking by carrying cell phones.
i keep my gps off unless i need it. but im sure that's just to make me feel better.
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i keep my gps off unless i need it.
As do I, because it sucks down the battery.

But even without GPS, the location of all cell phones is still tracked and logged. It's a necessary function in order for the cellular networks to operate- unless they know which cell every given user is in at all times, they'd have to broadcast all incoming calls across the whole network, which would be totally unfeasible.

Normally, the resolution of this data is only accurate down to the cell level (anywhere from a few hundred meters to a mile or so, depending on density) however so long as your phone can be seen by three or more cell towers (as would be the case in any urban area), the position of the phone can be ascertained to a fairly high degree of accuracy. Such methods have been employed by law enforcement for over a decade. In some cases, the microphone in the telephone can even be monitored while the phone is not in use.

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi.../2006/05/70829

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html


Privacy is an illusion, folks. Accept it, and get on with your lives.
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That makes sense and would completely depend on the driver. I know people who progressively apply the brakes harder the closer they get to a car, leaving very little room for a loss of traction event, or sudden deceleration of the car they are approaching.
I have a tendency to overbrake a bit in the beginning, to have a bit more margin for anything unexpected, then reduce braking to a constant level.
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very true, and its not like they cant tap your cell phones gps to see your speed if they wanted too.
Man I never thought of that. We're fucked. I'm just waiting for the day that you inspect your car and you're provided a list of fines to pay for each time you broke a law that previous year.
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