Gee Emm

I thought 'Canberra' nailed it, but apparently not. So taxes that are avoidable are not immoral? WTF is an immoral tax then? How can any tax be 'immoral'? How can morality have anything to do with taxation? There are any number of adjectives that I could apply to taxation, but I cannot see morality being one (not in the real world anyway).

You still have not addressed the 'it' question in my last post - if you are going to participate here, you need to be able to explain/defend a position otherwise there is always Brain's redpill thread ...

Bajingo

The it in question would be us not paying advertised prices and having tax added. Try to keep up if you're going to participate dipshit.

Income taxes are immoral, they are basically slavery. Food taxes are immoral. Any taxes that have to be payed just to exist are immoral and wrong.

z31maniac

Just because you find something incredibly hard to believe, doesn't mean it isn't true. The average American........I don't think we even need to go any further on that.

Bajingo

I'll admit my personal observations don't have to be fact, but do you honestly believe the average Australian is more observant or intelligent than the average American? Yet again I can't believe that to be true.

Skamba

Granted, I'm not German, but Dutch. Everyone knows the VAT rate. It will also list the VAT paid on the receipt.

If anything, I found the US less transparent, because when you are choosing between buying or doing different things, you don't actually know what you'll end up paying. E.g.: I want to choose between buying a PlayStation for $400 or renting a car for a long weekend for $400. It can be tricky to find out what you'd actually end up paying for these options.

Bajingo

You found the overall price less transparent, not the tax. Our system is designed to point the tax out.

Skamba

On taxes, I found this video interesting:

bahurd

iTrader: (8)

Really?

When you go into a supermarket you don't pay tax on all items. In fact not all food items are untaxed (at least in my state). Prices marked on the shelf are not reflective of any tax anywhere so depending on what county and city you may be shopping in you'll pay a different tax. Go through a drive through restaurant and you'll see no tax on food items but eat inside and you'll pay a tax (in most states).

A VAT tax is much more transparent (what you keep saying you want) because it's the amount you pay for the product... any product. In the USA the politicians keep you guessing because they keep talking the talk but at the end of the day the taxes you pay keep going up. Just like the old frog in the hot pan story...


VAT tax explained

Bajingo

How would the uninformed masses know if the tax changed if it's always rolled into the price?

rleete

iTrader: (21)

I would personally favor a VAT instead of income tax. That way, even if you made your money under the table or by illegal means you still pay tax.

And Bajingo, you'll always see the VAT rate on the receipt.

Bajingo

Does anyone actually look at receipts?

i would favor vat over income tax.

bahurd

iTrader: (8)

Surely you jest...

How do the supposedly uninformed masses in the USA know when any of the myriad tax rates change? Are you the frog?

Bajingo

I dare say they have a better idea than when the tax is rolled in

z31maniac

Australian huh? You responded to bahurd, who mentioned Germans knowing exactly what the taxes are. Refer to posts #108 and #109 in this thread. And yes, I do think the average German is likely more observant than the average American.

z31maniac

www.fairtax.org

Bajingo

alright too many foreigners in this thread, Gee whatever is Australian.

As for the Germans being more observant, I doubt it. You have just as little proof as I do on that one

Bajingo

Fairtax sounds like what I want.

z31maniac

And I think they are. And you have just as little as proof as I do. So let's drop this particular speculative point and move on.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

0% flat tax. go.

Joe Perez

iTrader: (8)

Wait just a sec here...

Are you seriously telling me that you assumed that the percentage of tax assessed under VAT was uniform across all countries which utilize this model?

Or are you so poorly-skilled at trolling that you thought this would elicit an argument?

Either way, you need to take a break for a while. Please self-impose a ten day ban from this thread. Don't even reply to this post.

Honor system.

Go play in the Redpill thread during your timeout.