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Old 07-11-2013, 10:15 AM   #81
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I've been attacked by a dog and it isn't fun.

That stand up citizen you keep defending put himself in the situation. How can you argue that?

The sad part is the dog was innocent in the whole matter. Not that the guy lost his dog or that the cop shot it. Its more so that a happy, healthy animal that was protective over his owner was killed because of stupidity.

When cops abuse authority I get up in arms as well, but this isn't one of those circumstances.
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That stand up citizen you keep defending put himself in the situation. How can you argue that?
because it doesn't matter.
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I've been attacked by a dog and it isn't fun.

That stand up citizen you keep defending put himself in the situation. How can you argue that?

The sad part is the dog was innocent in the whole matter. Not that the guy lost his dog or that the cop shot it. Its more so that a happy, healthy animal that was protective over his owner was killed because of stupidity.

When cops abuse authority I get up in arms as well, but this isn't one of those circumstances.
Why the **** does it matter what person A did when cops shot the dog? That is like saying if you assault a cop and they shoot your friend that they were justified because you started it.

No one is saying that the owner wasn't a complete jackass. We are saying that the police handled the situation incorrectly. It is pretty ******* simple. Lethal force was not necessary given the level of danger to the officer.

Are you arguing that anytime a cop feels threatened in anyway they are justified in using lethal force? If I am completely unarmed and there are 4 officers and I throw a punch at one can they shoot me? I would expect them to take me down considering there are 4 of them. If I am not reaching for the officer's gun there is no reason to believe that I will have the chance to kill him with my fists before I can be subdued. Is the officer suppose to meet any chance of bodily harm no matter how minor as a threat worthy of lethal force? If you join the police force you are assuming a certain amount of risk and should be willing to sustain a minimal level of injuries in order to preserve life.

The motto is "to serve and protect" not "to serve and protect my own self interest with lethal force if necessary"
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I have a strong disdain for any officer who either ignorantly or intentionally violates my rights and freedoms.

I also have a hatred for anyone who intentionally interferes with what seems to be a well intentioned, high-stress, and potentially life-threatening operation, regardless of how "legal" his actions seem to be. Turn off your music, put the dog in the car, roll the windows up, and THEN record the scene. Who pulls up to a police scene, stops in the middle of the intersection, and then parks illegally (within x feet of an intersection), Gets out of their car without turning the music down or turning the car off, takes the time to get their dog out of the car, and protests the police asking him to turn his stereo off?



In theater, while conducting operations, if a random person goes out of their way to create an intentional distraction for you, it's because his concealed buddy wants a better shot with the RPG that is being aimed at your body/squad/truck/convoy/gate/etc.

It's guys like this that cause police officers to overreact in situations with armed, unthreatening civilians. The dog didn't deserve to die, but the police officer also didn't deserve to be assaulted by a dog.

Assault: an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

Neither you nor I know what the officer was thinking before he shot the dog, but as long as he feared that the dog was trying to bite him, he was legally under assault. Do you know if the officer has some sort of canine-o-phobia? Did he fail to properly use escalation of force? Most likely. But I don't know what tools he had on his person at the time in order to escalate correctly, nor do any of us know how imminent the officer felt the danger was. He might have used pepper spray if he had it, or possibly a blunt force instrument with a standoff (he might have been carrying a collapsable baton?) A taser isn't exactly a required duty weapon, nor is it appropriate for melee-range use to stop an attacker. Kicking the dog would also be inappropriate, as you're extending a body part towards the dog and providing him an opportunity to attack again.

Was shooting the dog illegal? Dogs don't have rights. Only people have rights. I am ignorant as to what other federal/state/local laws might have applied to taking defensive action to a canine assault. I would *almost* be willing to bet that the department trained officers to shoot dogs in some situations, promoting it as the most efficient way of eliminating a highly unpredictable threat.
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I have a strong disdain for any officer who either ignorantly or intentionally violates my rights and freedoms.

I also have a hatred for anyone who intentionally interferes with what seems to be a well intentioned, high-stress, and potentially life-threatening operation, regardless of how "legal" his actions seem to be.
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It's guys like this that cause police officers to overreact in situations with armed, unthreatening civilians. The dog didn't deserve to die, but the police officer also didn't deserve to be assaulted by a dog.
^ And this.



It really confounds me to see people putting forth arguments which essentially purport that policemen are evil for responding to stressful and dangerous situations by using force, particularly when said situations have been deliberately escalated by the very "victims" in question.


But it doesn't surprise me.


My brother in law is a Sheriff's deputy back in Florida. You should hear some of the stories he's got...
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It really confounds me to see people putting forth arguments which essentially purport that policemen are evil for responding to stressful and dangerous situations by using force, particularly when said situations have been deliberately escalated by the very "victims" in question.
These police officers were not evil people. They just handled the sitution incorrectly and unfortuntely they chose a career path where their actions can result in this type of action.

The "victim" did not escalate the situation. His jackass owner did. The police officer actually escalated the situation involving the dog because he does not know how to handle an animal. He made that dog show agression with how he stood over it and reached repeatedly for its face. The owner and the dog are completely seperate parties here. Stop grouping them together.

P.S. I like a lot of cops I meet. Everyone makes mistakes but police officers chose a career where mistake can result in death.
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After all, if a child ran at a policeman with a knife the officer might fire in self-defense — yet nobody would just let it go at that. Animals don’t occupy the same moral station as children, but family pets are more than just property. A badge and a gun should not be a license to shoot them at whim.
The rest of the pretty reasonable article can be read here.
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These police officers were not evil people. They just handled the sitution incorrectly and unfortuntely they chose a career path where their actions can result in this type of action.
No. This is wrong. The powlice are obviously evil and raciest. Especially racist against dogs.. I heard they worship cat-Satan. And the dog was half black half brown, and not light brown like those anti-semitic German Shepards they lug around, no, this dog had DARK BROWN FUR! I'm calling Jesse. We are all Fidos owner.
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These police officers were not evil people.
But they are selected for blind obedience to authority, and now, for low IQ:
Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops - ABC News

"Just doing his job" to justify enforcing bad laws = Nuremberg defense.
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I really love how my posts were deleted from this thread.....
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Crown Point officers shoot, kill two dogs mistaken for coyotes - Chicago News and Weather | FOX 32 News

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Michalec says she had wished Crown Point police called animal control instead, rather than "shooting loved dogs."
Well Michalec, you shouldn't have put yourself in that situation. Cops HAVE to shoot dogs; it's part of serve and protect. If you weren't such an *******...
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I don't think I've read a topic that you're more pationate about than this, Brain.
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I don't think I've read a topic that you're more pationate about than this, Brain.

I like the animals.
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Even when off duty, cops cant resist shooting dogs:

Off-Duty Police Officer Shoots Family's Dog Dead
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Henrico police shoot pet as they notify family of son's homicide - Richmond Times-Dispatch: News, Crime And Politics For The Richmond Metro Area

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he unidentified officer and a detective had arrived at the home to notify family members that Ellerbe had been killed. His body was discovered shortly after 6 a.m. Wednesday, face down near an alley.

The pitbull ran from the backyard of the home toward at least one officer, who pulled his weapon and shot the dog in the home's front yard, according to Ellerbe's sister, Latoya.
Sarah Hecht rally: Cops run over woman's dog Freckles on PURPOSE then give her a citation | Mail Online

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According to the Las Vegas Review Journal, an officer told Hecht he purposefully ran over the dog after he noticed it running towards the play area.

The dog was dragged along the street by the police car, but survived. However, once at the vet, Hecht made the difficult decision to euthanize the animal.

While she was there, her father was cited for having an unrestrained dog.
Police decision to shoot dog questioned | abc11.com

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After the people in the home surrendered, the SWAT team approached to make sure no one else was inside. As ABC11 cameras recorded, the lead officer went up the front steps and then turned and fired at a dog three times - killing it.

The dog doesn't appear to be vicious and doesn't appear to lunge at officers. In the video, you can see a man sitting on the stoop of a home next door and others standing on the next porch as the three high-powered rounds were fired in their direction.
Watch the video of this one. The swat member, IN FULL ARMOR, walks up and shoots the dog for no reason at all. It's sick.


ThisNY.com - Cops Shoot Family Dog Just Because

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Police officers in a Chicago suburb sat in front of a home for 20 minutes, then without any provocation shot the family dog, who had been calmly sitting on the front porch, the dog's owner claims in court.

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Both South Holland officers were equipped with dog-catching poles in the trunks of their vehicles, but neither attempted to use the dog-catching poles to capture the purported dog at large.

Police shoot senior dog contained inside of owners' California yard - National Dogs | Examiner.com

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Two police officers were searching for a person who was behaving in a suspicious manner.

In the midst of their search, the officers entered the yard of roommates, Zach Grimm and Dave Biller, where they encountered the senior dog named "Kirby."

Kirby reacted with behavior typical of a dog who observes strangers who are entering their territory - he barked.

Grimm told Mercury News that his dog barked:

"like any dog protecting its home,"

The response was a single shot which entered the elderly dog's shoulder.

According to the police, the officers "felt threatened," by the 29 pound dog.

Police shooting of pet German shepherd sparks outrage by El Monte family (Video) - SGVTribune.com

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A family expressed outrage Friday after an El Monte police officer shot their pet 2-year-old German Shepherd inside their fenced-in front yard while following up on a report of a runaway teenager. The family was forced to put the dog down following the shooting.
this one has video too. police laugh about it afterwards.



Army Vet Says Police Raided Wrong Apartment, Killed His Dog | WKBW News 7: News, Sports, Weather | Buffalo, NY | News

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when police busted down his door in search of drugs, shooting and killing his dog in the process.

"She's over here, chained up, and look at all these bullet holes man. Look at the blood right here," Arroyo explained as he showed Eyewitness cameras where his pit bull mix Cindy had been shot.

"She was tied up in the kitchen like I tie her up every single day, and they shot her for no reason."
When Arroyo returned home Monday evening he found his apartment torn apart, door busted down and several bullet holes in his kitchen wall.

He also found a search warrant for 304 Breckenridge, A DIFFERENT apartment.


and happy endings:

St. Louis officer injured by ricochet from fellow officer's shot during dog attack : News

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A St. Louis police officer was injured this morning after he was apparently hit by a ricocheting bullet fired by a fellow officer as a dog attacked them.

The injured officer was taken to a hospital in a patrol car with a flesh wound to the arm. He also had a cut on his face. He was expected to be OK, police said.

Incoming Winston-Salem police chief shoots woman in the leg | MyFOX8.com

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The woman shot Wednesday by incoming Winston-Salem Police Chief Barry Rountree says he did not immediately come to help her after she was shot.

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In a Winston-Salem Police Dept. news release investigators say the dog ran toward Rountree and Khan, acting in an “aggressive manner.” Rountree attempted to shoot the dog, but his bullet hit the pavement and struck Whitt.




There are PLENTY more of these new stories... that was only from that last week or so.
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How any dog owner should train their dogs:

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Brain all of those dogs obviously deserved to be killed by the officers who had no other choice then to use lethal force because they felt threatened by animals less than a 1/4 of their size. It is after all really the owners' fault for not making sure their dogs were properly secured inside their own home or fenced-in front yard.
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