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11-07-2016, 02:38 PM
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I dunno, man. Americans are guaranteed not just freedom OF religion, but also freedom FROM religion. Castle's party is, first and foremost, dedicated to establishing a theocracy in the US:
I'm kind of extremely not OK with that. And they're pretty badly misinterpreting the founding documents of the United States if they feel that this nation was founded "by Christians, on a foundation of Christian principles." Many of the founders went to considerable length to specifically discount that notion.
Preamble to the Constitution Party Platform
The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.
This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on a foundation of Christian principles and values. For this very reason peoples of all faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.
The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.
The Constitution of the United States provides that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.
The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules.
Source: http://www.constitutionparty.com/preamble/
The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.
This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on a foundation of Christian principles and values. For this very reason peoples of all faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.
The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.
The Constitution of the United States provides that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.
The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules.
Source: http://www.constitutionparty.com/preamble/
I'm kind of extremely not OK with that. And they're pretty badly misinterpreting the founding documents of the United States if they feel that this nation was founded "by Christians, on a foundation of Christian principles." Many of the founders went to considerable length to specifically discount that notion.
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11-07-2016, 02:40 PM
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So I guess in the not too distant future, now that we can edit video without any problems we'll be able to edit the audio as well to the point people will no longer dispute they "said that"... While we've always been able to edit audio it's never been as easy as a text editor...
Adobe's 'Photoshop For Audio' Is Unbelievable - Digg
'I DIDN'T SAY THAT'...'NOW YOU DID'
Adobe's 'Photoshop For Audio' Is Unbelievable
Last week, Adobe unveiled Project VoCo, which, much like Photoshop does for images, allows you to rearrange and change elements of an audio recording — and add elements that weren't there to begin with. It's crazy.
Adobe's 'Photoshop For Audio' Is Unbelievable
Last week, Adobe unveiled Project VoCo, which, much like Photoshop does for images, allows you to rearrange and change elements of an audio recording — and add elements that weren't there to begin with. It's crazy.
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11-07-2016, 02:56 PM
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I dunno, man. Americans are guaranteed not just freedom OF religion, but also freedom FROM religion. Castle's party is, first and foremost, dedicated to establishing a theocracy in the US
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I'm kind of extremely not OK with that. And they're pretty badly misinterpreting the founding documents of the United States if they feel that this nation was founded "by Christians, on a foundation of Christian principles." Many of the founders went to considerable length to specifically discount that notion.
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I'm kind of extremely not OK with that. And they're pretty badly misinterpreting the founding documents of the United States if they feel that this nation was founded "by Christians, on a foundation of Christian principles." Many of the founders went to considerable length to specifically discount that notion.
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11-07-2016, 03:06 PM
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I understand that. It does not reflect my own views on the founding documents. However, the generally toothless theocratic elements of the CP platform bother me less than Gary Johnson's views on the legality of abortion, which are incompatible with both my libertarian and Christian worldviews.
But beyond that, I mean... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" It's the very first sentence in the Bill of Rights- before speech and guns and the press and due process and warrantless searches. It's the thing they led with, presumably because they felt it was important.
So this is a party that claims to uphold the constitution, and yet their #1 priority - the thing that their platform is founded upon - is to literally do the exact opposite of what the Constitution says. That terrifies me more than the hypothetical offspring of Trump & Clinton being crowned King.
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11-07-2016, 03:15 PM
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Well, for starters, the President doesn't get to dictate terms on abortion. That's the job of the Congress and of the Court. And I must admit that I'm curious as to your "libertarian and Christian worldviews" concerning abortion. The latter is generally opposed to it, while the former is generally opposed to being opposed to it.
The distinction is that it's not my libertarian worldview, it's my libertarian worldview. I would generally agree with Ron Paul and Rand Paul -- legally and morally, abortion is the destruction of human life, and libertarianism rests foundationally on the non-aggression principle. In terms of legislation, the issue should be returned to the states to decide when and how it should be allowed or disallowed. This view may be in the minority among libertarians, but it's not unheard of. Bob Barr, the 2008 presidential candidate from the LP, is also anti-abortion.
But beyond that, I mean... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" It's the very first sentence in the Bill of Rights- before speech and guns and the press and due process and warrantless searches. It's the thing they led with, presumably because they felt it was important.
So this is a party that claims to uphold the constitution, and yet their #1 priority - the thing that their platform is founded upon - is to literally do the exact opposite of what the Constitution says. That terrifies me more than the hypothetical offspring of Trump & Clinton being crowned King.
So this is a party that claims to uphold the constitution, and yet their #1 priority - the thing that their platform is founded upon - is to literally do the exact opposite of what the Constitution says. That terrifies me more than the hypothetical offspring of Trump & Clinton being crowned King.
We believe the founding documents are based on Biblical principles, and our intention is to realign jurisprudence with the founding documents.
We believe the founding documents are based on Biblical principles, and our intention is to realign jurisprudence with those Biblical principles.
As such, while I think it's a clumsy construction and probably turns away more people than it attracts, I don't have any more problem with it than if it said "...to restore American jurisprudence to its deist foundations" or "...to restore American jurisprudence to its French Enlightenment foundations." It's not proposing an official American religion, it's recognizing the philosopho-religious origins of the American Revolution. And while we can certainly debate the degree to which the American Revolution was influenced by Christianity, I don't think anyone would deny that many of the Founding Fathers were deeply influenced by Christian religion and philosophy and drew explicit links in their writings between those ideas and the ideas central to the Revolution.
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11-08-2016, 08:49 AM
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I've been hearing rhetoric about Trump being a fascist dictator and refusing to leave office after his term by the tin foil hat Democrat supporters, and I have to wonder why they don't believe that Hillary would be much more likely to do a power grab than he would? Then I recall the psychological phenomenon called "projection".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
It also calls into mind the fine folks who accused George W. Bush of stealing the election against Albert Gore, when the hanging chads were clearly a result of cramming a stylus through a stack of ballots at a time, rather than a single one, etc.
If your girlfriend is constantly accusing your of cheating with no foundation for the accusation, she is likely cheating. When you meet a fellow who is always worried about others playing angles or scamming him, he's probably a shyster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
It also calls into mind the fine folks who accused George W. Bush of stealing the election against Albert Gore, when the hanging chads were clearly a result of cramming a stylus through a stack of ballots at a time, rather than a single one, etc.
If your girlfriend is constantly accusing your of cheating with no foundation for the accusation, she is likely cheating. When you meet a fellow who is always worried about others playing angles or scamming him, he's probably a shyster.
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11-08-2016, 08:56 AM
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The people calling Trump a fascist dictator have yet to listen to a single word he's spoken, have the slightest clue to his platform, and plug their ears when the news dumps another story about another Clinton murder victim.
he [says he] wants to end cronyism. Hillary is the definition of it.
he [says he] wants to end cronyism. Hillary is the definition of it.
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