Joe Perez

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Which religious beliefs do you mean?

Abortion? Most atheists I know don't condone murder, so it's really more of a philosophical question than a religious one: how to demarcate the point at which a person becomes alive.

Immigration? While there's presently a focus on members of a specific religious group, that's more to do with that groups historic affiliation with certain political and military philosophies which are contrary to the interests of most secular nations.

I haven't seen anyone who brands them self a Republican call for the establishment of a State Church like Henry VIII did.

"Under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance as a result of a bill introduced into congress by a democrat, Representative Louis Rabaut. And at the time, both the Senate and the House of Representatives were controlled by a democrat majority.

Monk

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i haven't observed or even heard of the phenomenon you are talking about occurring.
What I have observed is the left trying to force the religious to participate in, condone, or pay for activities that are directly contrary to their beliefs.

z31maniac

Absolutely not.

That's a good question considering over time the Ds and Rs have essentially flipped platforms.

z31maniac

Don't pay attention to the news much?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...troit-oklahoma

This was in response to OK idiot legislatures allowing a Ten Commandents monument on capitol grounds.

shuiend

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Because the GOP is stupid and does not know what issues to drop. They need to drop the abortion fight, it is legal, that is not going to change, and only pisses people off and looses them votes. They also need to drop the whole fight with gay marriage and LGBT issues. Push to get marriage out of the government. Have civil unions and have those be between whoever the **** loves each other and call it a day.

triple88a

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Abortion, birth control, day after pill, gay marriage, laws that allow religious people to discriminate and deny service to members of those communities <<<. Stem cell research, space exploration and research.

mgeoffriau

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Wait how is space exploration a religious issue?

sixshooter

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Trump was the anti-Republican Party candidate and the Party bosses hated him. As a libertarian (small L) voter, I found myself somewhat amused by the predicament,. Sanders supporters felt screwed by their Party in this election. And fiscal conservatives who had previously been promised smaller govt and taxes felt screwed by the Republican Party so they went for an anti-establishment option to give them the finger.

sixshooter

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Don't stop him, he's on a roll.

z31maniac

So 2 democrat parties then? These social issues are the only difference anymore. (PS I'm way liberal when it comes to social issues.)

Both parties want war, free trade, big government, expansion of the Patriot Act, etc.

It's two puppets controlled by the same puppeteer.

shuiend

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Ohh I think the GOP has to fix other **** to, but I know so many people especially women who won't vote GOP 100% because of those issues. I also know a lot of older GOP members that think those 2 issues should just be dropped.

But yes the GOP should go back to actually wanting smaller government in everything.

triple88a

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Proposed NASA Budget Cuts Spark Bitter Debate in Congress

and note, i said republicans in my original post.

Braineack

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And people wonder why black culture is ******* deplorable:

sixshooter

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Lookee here for a minute, please. I go to church on a somewhat regular basis. I wouldn't say I go religiously, but I do go a couple or three times a month.
Here are your items, point by point:
1. Abortion-
1A. I don't want it to be illegal for you to have an abortion.
1B. I would rather you not put yourself in a position to see that as your best option to start with.
1C. I would prefer you to want a different option.

2. Birth control-
2A. I don't want it to be illegal for you to have birth control.
2B. I don't care who you sleep with or how often as long as it is consensual and not children or invalids.
2C. Though I am a libertarian, I am willing to pay for this one. I will not compel others to pay for it because I'm libertarian-ish.

3. Day after pill-
3A. I don't want it to be illegal.
3B. You are a ****-up if you need it and should be more responsible in important ways.
3C. Should be cheap and readily available.

4. Gay marriage-
4A. I don't want it to be illegal to have a binding legal contract to share your goods and property.
4B. If you consent, I consent. Kiss me.

5. Laws that allow people to discriminate against serving people they don't want to-
5A. As a Christian, we are supposed to treat others with kindness and love even when they don't really deserve it. We are to show compassion and be gracious when we don't feel like it. It's difficult to be nice and frankly I suck at it. But the people who are punitive to homosexuals, *****, druggies, drinkers, etc., are being WORSE Christians. They are not doing what they are expressly instructed to do and they are doing things they are expressly told not to do. It isn't that Christianity is condemning these people for doing bad things Christianity says the opposite. It's people who call themselves Christians that are flawed, just like people who don't call themselves Christians are flawed. The problem doesn't lay with Christianity, but rather with the fact that all people everywhere suck to varying degrees. Some of them make a big deal of certain affiliations but then ignore or simply fail (because human) to live up to the rules, principles, and ideals.

Hell, I can't even keep all of the rules of being a Boy Scout like I should. A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. I wish I was that good.

5B. As a libertarian-ish person I don't think people should be compelled by the law to serve people in their business if they do not wish. The bar I am sitting in has a sign that says they "Reserve the right to refuse service to anyone at any time."

6. Stem cell research, space exploration and research.
6A. I think this research is good.
6B. My preacher thinks this research is good. He is enthralled with quantum mechanics and time and space travel.
6C. WTF are you talking about people being against space exploration because they are Christians? I've never run across that one.

Braineack

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EO2K

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You forgot 'friendly' and its killing me

triple88a

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triple88a

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Well salt water doesnt help anyone.

EO2K

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Seriously, we have enough salt water intrusion in our aquifers already.

sixshooter

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**** you. I will NOT be friendly.

Lol


Edit: I hope that was courteous.