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09-17-2017, 09:53 AM
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it's like all the Rs who want to "repeal" obamacare, but what they really meant to say was "I want the R voter base"
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09-18-2017, 07:06 AM
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For some of the more conservative, would this be filed under too much police involvement or too much black activism?
Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound bombs (which the police referred to as "entry devices") made of FBI-supplied water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.The resulting explosions ignited a fire from fuel for a gasoline-powered generator in the rooftop bunker; it spread and eventually destroyed approximately 65 nearby houses. The firefighters, who had earlier deluge-hosed the MOVE members in a failed attempt to evict them from the building, stood by as the fire caused by the bomb engulfed the first house and spread to others, having been given orders to let the fire burn. Eleven people, including five children, died in the resulting fire, and more than 250 people in the neighborhood were left homeless. Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, said that police fired at those trying to escape.Mayor Goode appointed an investigative commission called the PSIC (aka MOVE Commission). The Commission issued its report on March 6, 1986. The report denounced the actions of the city government, stating that "Dropping a bomb on an occupied row house was unconscionable." Following the release of the report, Goode made a formal public apology. No one from the city government was criminally charged. The only surviving adult MOVE member, Ramona Africa, was charged and incarcerated for seven years on riot and conspiracy charges.In 1996 a federal jury ordered the city to pay a $1.5 million civil suit judgement to survivor Ramona Africa and relatives of two people killed in the bombing. The jury had found that the city used excessive force. Philadelphia was given the sobriquet "The City that Bombed Itself."
POLICE DROP BOMB ON RADICALS' HOME IN PHILADELPHIA - NYTimes.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound bombs (which the police referred to as "entry devices") made of FBI-supplied water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.The resulting explosions ignited a fire from fuel for a gasoline-powered generator in the rooftop bunker; it spread and eventually destroyed approximately 65 nearby houses. The firefighters, who had earlier deluge-hosed the MOVE members in a failed attempt to evict them from the building, stood by as the fire caused by the bomb engulfed the first house and spread to others, having been given orders to let the fire burn. Eleven people, including five children, died in the resulting fire, and more than 250 people in the neighborhood were left homeless. Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, said that police fired at those trying to escape.Mayor Goode appointed an investigative commission called the PSIC (aka MOVE Commission). The Commission issued its report on March 6, 1986. The report denounced the actions of the city government, stating that "Dropping a bomb on an occupied row house was unconscionable." Following the release of the report, Goode made a formal public apology. No one from the city government was criminally charged. The only surviving adult MOVE member, Ramona Africa, was charged and incarcerated for seven years on riot and conspiracy charges.In 1996 a federal jury ordered the city to pay a $1.5 million civil suit judgement to survivor Ramona Africa and relatives of two people killed in the bombing. The jury had found that the city used excessive force. Philadelphia was given the sobriquet "The City that Bombed Itself."
POLICE DROP BOMB ON RADICALS' HOME IN PHILADELPHIA - NYTimes.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
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09-18-2017, 05:39 PM
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That level of 'loaded' seems about on par with the rest. I suppose it's fine for someone to talk about how they want to preserve the historical significance of the confederacy or some such nonsense but you bring up an event like this and it's not cool.
I suppose a lot of people know, but Tulsa, OK was even worse with the citizens and police firebombing a whole neighborhood. It's part of American history, that wasn't very long ago and is very much connected to today, that lots of kids and adults probably aren't taught. It's old, but history only explains what happened on the last few pages before today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
I suppose a lot of people know, but Tulsa, OK was even worse with the citizens and police firebombing a whole neighborhood. It's part of American history, that wasn't very long ago and is very much connected to today, that lots of kids and adults probably aren't taught. It's old, but history only explains what happened on the last few pages before today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot
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09-20-2017, 09:20 AM
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Considering Manafort has an apartment in Trump Tower for a few years, you could say, I guess, they wiretapped Trump Tower. Trump initially said "he" was wiretapped which has been recently denied by the Dept of Justice - current administration.
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09-21-2017, 09:32 AM
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“I got very heated about it on occasions, and I do regret that,” he says. “But it was a knee-jerk reaction in terms of the refugee crisis – being a new father and seeing a two-year-old child wash up on the beach not dissimilar to the ones I spent my childhood on, and will hopefully take my children to.
“I don’t know if it is worth bringing this up, but being conscious of the magazine I’m talking to – people were saying, ‘You’ve got a home, why don’t you house refugees?’” And we did look into it. But we had, then, a very new baby – maybe four or five months old.
“Maybe people had a point. I understand why some might think I should be housing people instead of complaining about a government not doing it. But I was trying to raise awareness that we can do more as a society. Because I do feel we are able to do more than just recovering bodies.”
“I don’t know if it is worth bringing this up, but being conscious of the magazine I’m talking to – people were saying, ‘You’ve got a home, why don’t you house refugees?’” And we did look into it. But we had, then, a very new baby – maybe four or five months old.
“Maybe people had a point. I understand why some might think I should be housing people instead of complaining about a government not doing it. But I was trying to raise awareness that we can do more as a society. Because I do feel we are able to do more than just recovering bodies.”
So we’re clear, we 110% support Cringlebutch being concerned about his young family, especially with a newborn. Your family always comes first. That’s the way it always should be.
However, that’s also why we don’t lecture other people to do things that we aren’t willing to do ourselves. Because maybe everyone else is also considering the safety of their families. Celebrities should think about that (see also change climate) before running their mouths off script.
Also, raising awareness is fine and all, but sometimes just saying “we should do something as a society” without doing anything yourself is just virtue signaling. Know the difference then stop being an ***.
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09-21-2017, 10:11 AM
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Anyone watching the new Ken Burns documentary? Episode 1 & 2 did a great job of showing the prelude to, and mistakes made that got us into that mess.
The Vietnam War, A Film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick
The Vietnam War, A Film by Ken Burns & Lynn Novick
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