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02-26-2018, 09:30 AM
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that one time the ATF didn't want someone to own a gun:
simply arrest him, without probable cause, while he's out jogging or go in guns blazing and ultimately kill everyone... LEROY JENKINS!
simply arrest him, without probable cause, while he's out jogging or go in guns blazing and ultimately kill everyone... LEROY JENKINS!
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02-26-2018, 10:16 AM
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here's how you Australians sound when you come in here:
Samuel Phelps In Harry Potter everyone in the school had a wand...
Samuel Phelps In Harry Potter everyone in the school had a wand...
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02-26-2018, 04:21 PM
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Just a coincidence Brain, trust me on that.
Got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that someone just gunned down a whole bunch of innocent people/children.
And if you find us annoying, well its better than being in that crowd taking the rounds ...
Got absolutely nothing to do with the fact that someone just gunned down a whole bunch of innocent people/children.
And if you find us annoying, well its better than being in that crowd taking the rounds ...
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02-26-2018, 04:32 PM
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Saw a post on FB one of my friends had their window shot out while driving on the freeway this morning.
Also.
https://heyjackass.com/
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02-26-2018, 10:00 PM
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here's how you Australians sound when you come in here:
Samuel Phelps In Harry Potter everyone in the school had a wand...
Samuel Phelps In Harry Potter everyone in the school had a wand...
You clearly don't know us at all :P
But yeah, US citizens are definitely radicals.
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02-27-2018, 10:07 AM
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actually I was comparing them to an annoying personality out of touch with reality using horrible logic.
a say you've never heard coin: if you want it done correctly, just have the govt do it.
I do agree, this country has been overrun by and indoctrinated by lunatics and pansies.
Cam Stanley Did you know in Australia if you are a farmer and someone breaks into your house you can use a legally owned rifle, unloaded, to March that person to the police station, hand him in and the police will later Come to your house, take away your guns and charge you with some type of firearms offence...
Yeah USA, you guys really need to have stricter controls and hand in all your guns
Yeah USA, you guys really need to have stricter controls and hand in all your guns
Nate Myers When Australia and the UK don't border a 3rd world country run by drug cartels,. But but muh gun buy back.
Liam Milross ^^^This^^^
I'm Aussie and the number of people who can't comprehend this reality is crazy...
Even out in the middle of the ocean we have a illegal firearms slip through the cracks constantly.
I'm Aussie and the number of people who can't comprehend this reality is crazy...
Even out in the middle of the ocean we have a illegal firearms slip through the cracks constantly.
Conny Pöcksteiner Democrats demand a ban on guns in private homes because "the government - in this case the police - will be at your home within minutes to help."
I demand a ban on fire extinguishers in private homes because the fire department will be there to help you anyway. Just wait a few minutes, maybe 15. Just lean back in the meantime.
I demand a ban on fire extinguishers in private homes because the fire department will be there to help you anyway. Just wait a few minutes, maybe 15. Just lean back in the meantime.
Marc Lanz Delegating the responsibility for your personal safety to the state is not the mark of a free society. U.S. law has already decided the state bears no responsibility for a citizens personal protection.(Warren vs. District of Columbia)
I do agree, this country has been overrun by and indoctrinated by lunatics and pansies.
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02-27-2018, 10:39 AM
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another good reply to the star trek comment:
Řehoř Skřípal I can use sci-fi example too.
In Stargate, there was a race of Tollans. They were way more advanced than humans. They had technology that could phase things through solid matter for example. They thought they were much better than earthlings not just because of their technology, but also because of their alleged superior morals. They had literal gun-free zones. If you walked past the entrance to those zones, your guns were destroyed.
Do you know what happened to Tollans? They were completely wiped out by technologically inferior, more numerous, warmongering and theocratic Goa'uld.
In Stargate, there was a race of Tollans. They were way more advanced than humans. They had technology that could phase things through solid matter for example. They thought they were much better than earthlings not just because of their technology, but also because of their alleged superior morals. They had literal gun-free zones. If you walked past the entrance to those zones, your guns were destroyed.
Do you know what happened to Tollans? They were completely wiped out by technologically inferior, more numerous, warmongering and theocratic Goa'uld.
Jim Hubley I'm a Trek fan, won't hide that. Dude's wrong even in his self-referential logic. There's no less than three episodes of DS9 featuring armed cadets, some complete with their own warship in a warzone. Hell, they even committed a false flag attack in the name of national security. So, trying to hide behind fantasy don't work in this case either.
Walter Barton Lemme try using a scifi example;
After the Rebellion overthrew the Galactic Empire in Star Wars, they began accepting Yuuzhan Vong refugees with open arms despite being a violent species with terrorist tendencies.
Soon enough, they destroyed and took over Coruscant.
After the Rebellion overthrew the Galactic Empire in Star Wars, they began accepting Yuuzhan Vong refugees with open arms despite being a violent species with terrorist tendencies.
Soon enough, they destroyed and took over Coruscant.
Johnny Ochoa This is highly illogical. While vulcans control their emotions all vulcans would feel embarrassed when an icon of the franchise is unable to properly represent because he is to busy being blinded by politics.
If klingons kept appearing in appearing on the Enterprise then the captain has failed and needs to raise sheilds to keep them out. Since shields are known to fail at critical times the security team must be alert and armed as Tuvok would likely suggest. Since security teams are finite and cannot be everywhere at all times it would be prudent to have all personnel trained in the use of phasers and have access to such weapons to defend themselves and their crewmates. Even the Captain should be armed, even the progressive female Captain Janeway.
If klingons kept appearing in appearing on the Enterprise then the captain has failed and needs to raise sheilds to keep them out. Since shields are known to fail at critical times the security team must be alert and armed as Tuvok would likely suggest. Since security teams are finite and cannot be everywhere at all times it would be prudent to have all personnel trained in the use of phasers and have access to such weapons to defend themselves and their crewmates. Even the Captain should be armed, even the progressive female Captain Janeway.
Brian Sherba And look what happened - Star Fleet was infiltrated by dominion spies. Specifically changelings, who caused all sorts of terror. Sure they went a little overboard trying to straighten it out but in the end security had to increase in order to keep the threat at bay. Nice try George Takei.
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02-27-2018, 01:06 PM
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gotta love a good Venezuela post:
#fuckcapitalism #socialismisequality #hungerisequalityunlessyoureinpower
90 percent of Venezuelans have been hurled into poverty as the resource-rich nation continues to undergo food shortages and a staggering economic crisis.
Now, a new report shows the average Venezuelan lost 24 pounds of bodyweight in 2017.
On Wednesday, three universities published an annual independent survey of Venezuelan citizens. It is being hailed as one of the most accurate research ventures in the socialist nation, managing to circumvent the government’s lockdown on free press, Reuters reports. The study confirmed Venezuela’s hunger and poverty have skyrocketed in recent years.
Venezuelans surveyed told researchers 60 per cent have woken up hungry without enough money to buy food in just the past 3 months. 25 per cent of Venezuelan people are surviving on two or fewer meals a day.
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President Maduro has been criticized for packing on noticeable weight since his rise to power and even eating during his television broadcasts.
Now, a new report shows the average Venezuelan lost 24 pounds of bodyweight in 2017.
On Wednesday, three universities published an annual independent survey of Venezuelan citizens. It is being hailed as one of the most accurate research ventures in the socialist nation, managing to circumvent the government’s lockdown on free press, Reuters reports. The study confirmed Venezuela’s hunger and poverty have skyrocketed in recent years.
Venezuelans surveyed told researchers 60 per cent have woken up hungry without enough money to buy food in just the past 3 months. 25 per cent of Venezuelan people are surviving on two or fewer meals a day.
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President Maduro has been criticized for packing on noticeable weight since his rise to power and even eating during his television broadcasts.
#fuckcapitalism #socialismisequality #hungerisequalityunlessyoureinpower
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02-27-2018, 03:22 PM
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please tell me more about the NRA:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sh...GI3?li=BBnb7Kz
please tell me more about how we don't need to protect ourselves because the government will keep us safe.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sh...GI3?li=BBnb7Kz
Records obtained from the sheriff's office by CNN show the law enforcement agency received at least 45 calls for service relating to Cruz or his brother from 2008 to 2017, before the attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland on Feb. 14. The sheriff's office has insisted it received no more than 23 calls for service regarding Cruz or his family.
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On Saturday, the sheriff's office reiterated that lower figure, releasing this public statement: "Since 2008, BSO responded to 23 incidents where previous contact was made with the killer or his family. STOP REPORTING 39; IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE." That day, he made the same claim in a letter to the governor.
However, based on logs of the original calls and additional records since obtained from the agency, CNN has found that the Broward County Sheriff's Office actually received 45 calls in the past decade related to the Cruz home, Nikolas Cruz or his brother -- even more than previously thought.
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Records show that in 2016, a neighbor warned the sheriff's office of an Instagram post in which Cruz said he "planned to shoot up the school." This week, Joelle Guarino told CNN she placed the 911 call and had begged the sheriff's office to intervene. She was told there was nothing deputies could do until Cruz actually did something, she said.
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On Saturday, the sheriff's office reiterated that lower figure, releasing this public statement: "Since 2008, BSO responded to 23 incidents where previous contact was made with the killer or his family. STOP REPORTING 39; IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE." That day, he made the same claim in a letter to the governor.
However, based on logs of the original calls and additional records since obtained from the agency, CNN has found that the Broward County Sheriff's Office actually received 45 calls in the past decade related to the Cruz home, Nikolas Cruz or his brother -- even more than previously thought.
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Records show that in 2016, a neighbor warned the sheriff's office of an Instagram post in which Cruz said he "planned to shoot up the school." This week, Joelle Guarino told CNN she placed the 911 call and had begged the sheriff's office to intervene. She was told there was nothing deputies could do until Cruz actually did something, she said.
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02-27-2018, 03:29 PM
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that time Trump colluded with Russia in Syria:
Leaked audio of Russian mercenaries operating in Syria reveal the extent of their defeat in a disastrous engagement against superior US forces.
“The reports that are on TV about … well, you know, about Syria and the 25 people that are wounded there from the Syrian f*** Army and — well … to make it short, we’ve had our asses f*** kicked. So, one squadron f**** lost 200 people …right away, another one lost 10 people… and I don’t know about the third squadron but it got torn up pretty badly, too… So three squadrons took a beating… The Yankees attacked… first they blasted the f*** out of us by artillery and then they took four helicopters up and pushed us in a f*** merry-go-round with heavy caliber machine guns….They were all shelling the holy f*** out of it and our guys didn’t have anything besides the assault rifles… nothing at all, not even mentioning shoulder-fired SAMs or anything like that…So they tore us to pieces for sure, put us through hell, and the Yankees knew for sure that the Russians were coming, that it was us, f*** Russians… Our guys were going to commandeer an oil refinery and the Yankees were holding it… We got our f**** asses beat rough, my men called me… They’re there drinking now… many have gone missing… it’s a total f***-up, it sucks, another takedown….Everybody, you know, treats us like pieces of sh*** … They beat our asses like we were little pieces of sh***… but our f*** government will go in reverse now and nobody will respond or anything and nobody will punish anyone for this… So these are our casualties…
“Out of all vehicles, only one tank survived and one BRDM [armored reconnaissance vehicle] after the attack, all other BRDMs and tanks were destroyed in the first minutes of the fight, right away.”
“Just had a call with a guy; so they basically formed a convoy, but did not get to their f*** positions by some three hundred meters. One unit moved forward, the convoy remained in place, about 300 meters from the others. The others raised the American f*** flag and their artillery started f*** ours really hard. Then their f*** choppers flew in and starter f*** everybody. Ours just running around. Just got a call from a pal, so there are about 215 f*** killed. They simply rolled ours out f*** hard. Made their point. What the f*** ours were hoping for in there?! That they will f*** run away themselves? Hoped to f*** scare them away? Lots of people f*** so bad [they] can’t be f*** ID-d. There was no foot soldiers [on the American side]; they simply f*** our convoy with artillery.”
“Out of all vehicles, only one tank survived and one BRDM [armored reconnaissance vehicle] after the attack, all other BRDMs and tanks were destroyed in the first minutes of the fight, right away.”
“Just had a call with a guy; so they basically formed a convoy, but did not get to their f*** positions by some three hundred meters. One unit moved forward, the convoy remained in place, about 300 meters from the others. The others raised the American f*** flag and their artillery started f*** ours really hard. Then their f*** choppers flew in and starter f*** everybody. Ours just running around. Just got a call from a pal, so there are about 215 f*** killed. They simply rolled ours out f*** hard. Made their point. What the f*** ours were hoping for in there?! That they will f*** run away themselves? Hoped to f*** scare them away? Lots of people f*** so bad [they] can’t be f*** ID-d. There was no foot soldiers [on the American side]; they simply f*** our convoy with artillery.”
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02-27-2018, 05:13 PM
That is less a fact than an interpretation of Article [II] (Amendment 2 - Bearing Arms) A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The militia doesn't seem to be too well regulated if its members go around shooting up schools, concerts and churches, not to mention using their guns in the course of criminal activity. Perhaps someone should have a word with whoever is running this militia?
The militia doesn't seem to be too well regulated if its members go around shooting up schools, concerts and churches, not to mention using their guns in the course of criminal activity. Perhaps someone should have a word with whoever is running this militia?
In 2A, the first part "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" has been judged as separate from the actual right which is being conveyed - that of "the people to keep and bear arms". I agree with the decision as "the people" is legally defined by context in the constitution to be the whole body of citizenry.
But the "well regulated militia" part; I did recently form some thoughts on the "well regulated militia". First off, the "well regulated militia" we know of is not the "standing Army" - which is something that everyone seems to agree on. That thing which seems to trip a lot of people up is the idea that the "well regulated militia" is the "National Guard". It is not. The National Guard is a part of the standing Army - it is federally funded, used primarily for federal missions, and maintains the same requirements as the standing Army. On occasion, each state's National Guard is used for missions which are not federal in scope, authority, or funding (called "state active duty") and during these missions some people might again make the mistake to think that the National Guard is acting in the capacity of a militia. It is not. A militia exists for the purposes of the common defense, and National Guardsmen do not perform missions for the common defense while acting in state active duty - they merely provide support capacity for civilian authorities.
So what then is the "well regulated militia?"
Ignoring the "well regulated" part, I'll start by stating that my understanding of "militia" is literally the whole group of able bodied "men" who have the means to defend the Constitution of the United States. In modern terms, "men" can certainly be expanded to "people". That's easy enough.
So... "well regulated"... ?
There are actively training militia groups in every single state across the country who have no associations or dealings with the federal government. It's popular to think of these militia groups as "anti-government" or "extremist militia" because that's what seems to get the most news coverage - the reality of it is that most militia "members" belong to pro-government groups. In my home state of Ohio, we have two primary militia groups: the Ohio Military Reserve, and the Ohio Naval Militia (owing to our internationally accessible "shoreline" of Lake Erie. I'm sure there are also plenty of smaller independent groups as well. Now the Ohio Military Reserve is under direct command of the state's Adjutant General (The governor appointed military commander) who also leads the state's National Guard, and they train at the pleasure of the state governor, but they are not a part of the National Guard. Members of the Ohio Military Reserve train in an all-volunteer status without pay and without government supplied equipment (No government-provided weaponry). Without further consideration, one could reasonably suspect that "this relatively tiny force is the well regulated militia, no one else needs AR-15s". Again, you would be wrong to think that.
In a time of dire war where the U.S. were to be invaded by another country leading to a ground war, the citizenry would come out of the proverbial woodwork, arms in hand, in order to defend their country from the enemy. Certainly, we wouldn't see every single soul coming out of their homes with guns - but... 10% doesn't seem altogether unreasonable. 10% of the U.S. Population would be about 30 million people; that's 30 million new Soldiers. Today's current military totals just 2 million - or less than 1% of the population - who are highly trained to integrate with other services, other governments, and non-government organizations in order to maximize battle power. If the U.S. were successfully invaded by some other country - or more realistically some other group of countries - the equipment and tools of the "Standing Army" will already have been very nearly wiped out - or heavily focused in some areas with risks taken in other areas. If you suddenly add 30 million "Soldiers" to the country without being able to equip and train them as U.S. Military, how do they organize? Where do they report for duty? How do they ensure that they don't kill each other? How do they maintain strategic focus and battle strategy?
30 Million new Soldiers created overnight, and the first thing they are going to do is go find an Army recruiter - unfortunately, the Army doesn't have 6 months to train a few hundred thousand new recruits - let alone 30 million. At the same time, the recruiter has joined an assigned military unit, and posted on the front door of the recruiting station is a phone number, address, and reporting instructions for the nearest local militia group.
Do you see? The whole of the people are the "militia" - while groups currently legally operating under guise of "militias" are the "well regulated".
The numbers of practicing militia members is relatively small - owing to the fact that there is no pay, and in some organizations, members are even expected to pay to receive training. But when all hell breaks loose, these relatively small organizations are going to be the ones organizing the fight. Well regulated? Yes, they are. Manned and able to fight her enemies in order to defend the Constitution of the United States of America? Yes, we are.
And that's all I have to say about that.
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02-27-2018, 05:27 PM
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my dick being small and crooked, all one has to do is read the writings of the founders, before during and after the constitution, including the first drafts of the 2A, and why it's written like it is (a compromise). There's really nothing to interpret. they were clear in what a militia was (they didnt want an army/military), and their intent with the amendment. and if they weren't they certainly talked about it a lot:
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"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
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"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
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