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Old 03-16-2012, 01:11 PM   #41
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I don't think Tubbs Santorum is going to ban anything food related.

When does the punchline drop from the GOP and when do "we" get our real candidate? Its a shame we are more responsive to restrictions on behavior rather than assuring freedom and rights. I'm really sad for this nation, its too bad there is no better alternative.
Ron Paul.

Except the GOP and big money types do not want him to get the nomination. So, a second punchline for you perhaps?
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I will start with my remarks on the entitlement generation. I am not the kind of republican that believes that programs like welfare and SS are entitlements in it of themselves. My biggest problem with these programs is those that abuse them and how the systems have horribly evolved to combat fraud in the system rendering the programs inefficient and ineffective. Without sources I will resort to some personal annecdotes. My mother is a social worker and has been for her whole career. She is directly in the systems and fights to get those that need it the help from the government that they deserve. However, she will even state that only about 50-60% of her clients actually need the money and access the the programs they receive as these are the clients with real disabilities and mental health problems that are incapable of holding a job at all or atleast a job that can actually support them. The other 40-50% of her clients, that happen to mostly be in their early to mid 20's, are milking the system because they simply find it easier to not work or remain an addict and leech off the system then attempt to turn themselves around and support themselves. This last group is the entitlement generation that I mentioned earlier which is a mentality. It also extends to the thousands of college grads that are caught in the economic downturn without jobs and blaming everyone else for their hardships and not doing anything to better their current situation. By the way I am about to graduate college and without a solid job offer in my field, however, I am also doing everything I can to bolster my resume and pursuing every lead to find a good job opportunity because in the end it is ME who controls me circumstances. Back to my mom's work, due to the 40-50% of my mom's clients that are leeching the system a wall or red tape and beurocracy has been erected to weed out those undeserving of governement benefits. Not only does this system result in roughly a mere 30 cents on every 1 dollar contributed making it to the people the system is designed to help but it also puts those same people in horrible circumstances when it takes them a year to receive benefits they need now or rejects them altogther because they simply misfiled 1 form and must start all over. With all this you would think atleast it keeps money from going to those who are undeserving right? ---- no.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:22 PM   #43
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what really happens is my mom comes home crying because her mentally ill client couldnt get benefits or access to the proper program in time and she was forced onto the streets where she was raped and beaten before being sent back to repeat the process if she comes back at all.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:24 PM   #44
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due to the fact that these problems are inherent due to natural human laziness and greed I do not side with the democrats in continuing to pour money into an incredibly flawed system that isn't even that effective. I would rather scrap it and start from a blank slate. yeah it will hurt initially but sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better.
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:29 PM   #45
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I don't think Tubbs Santorum is going to ban anything food related.

When does the punchline drop from the GOP and when do "we" get our real candidate? Its a shame we are more responsive to restrictions on behavior rather than assuring freedom and rights. I'm really sad for this nation, its too bad there is no better alternative.
Even if this is a bash on my post, it earns a prop. It'd be nice to get a few rights back...
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Old 03-16-2012, 01:29 PM   #46
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Unemployment is another system that I have many problems with. The idea of unemployment is to provide workers with a buffer in between jobs that allows them to take a little time searching to be properly matched with the right position in which their skills can be most effectively utilized. Well in times like these where jobs are scarce and many employers with open positions (and believe me there are millions of unfilled jobs) refuse to look at applicants that havent already done the job for 5+ years it becomes a massive drain on the system because citizens are better off on unemployment then making minimum wage. The system is currently designed with an all benefits or no benefits mentality and needs to be overhauled with a tapering benefits format. This would encourage those who are out of work to get jobs that may not be what they are looking for ideally as their benefits would only be reduced by the amount of income that they are receiving from their new job. These benefits would also obviously expire after a certain number of months, however, the exact length would have to be studied to determine what would be most beneficial and efffective.
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I believe that governement has become way too large and is forgetting what it was designed for in this country. The general populus has been adopting the belief that it is governments job to ensure their succcess and happiness and not their own responsibility.
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Governments job should be to build infrastructure, provide a military with sufficient power to defend our national security, and enforce a justice system to ensure a reasonable amount of order in the society. That is all. The governement is suppose to enact the will of the people. The government should fear the people it governs not the other way around.
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Many of the programs in place would be taken care of by non-profit organization, funded by public DONATIONS not taxes. Many of these programs already exist (i.e. united way, salvation army, etc.) and are much more efficient and effective at achieving the goals they set out to achieve. People help others who truly need it and are willing to help themselves.
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A prime example of this type of system is the aid provided by the mormon church. Although I am not Mormon I am incredibly impressed with the organization and logistics that they have achieved in aiding thos in need especially victims of natural disasters. Their system of unemployment trades food, shelter, and other aide for completing simple choirs like fixing a neighbors fence. It reinforces the idea that you have to earn what you receive and things are not just handed to you.
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Nice stealth post booster. Can you just make one comprehensive post instead of 5 smaller ones in a row?

This thread is now turning gay.

The only two sane options are Paul or Obama.
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You cant feed the homeless in public area in Philly now...
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The only two sane options are Paul or Obama.
Obama is a sane choice?

Sane if I was a muslim hell bent on destroying america, sure.


But alas, I love america and I want to restore it to greatness, therefore Obama is a horrid option.
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These are my opinions. Think of them what you will, but they have been developed with real facts and have evolved tremendously in my short life. I am an incredibly open minded person and really like to hear logical arguments that oppose mine that may see something of importance that I have overlooked. I am not like so many others, my father included, that votes soley down party lines and refuses to entertain the idea of a contradictory view or other evidence.
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the idea of one large wall of text is not appealing that is why i broke it up.
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Obama is a sane choice?

Sane if I was a muslim hell bent on destroying america, sure.
Brainy, are you serious in saying this, or are you just trolling?

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But alas, I love america and I want to restore it to greatness, therefore Obama is a horrid option.
So, your solution is...Santorum to restore America to it's Greatness?

Romney, who is demonstrably slightly to the left of Obama? What exactly is your proposal?

If it's Paul, I'm completely on board, but so far it's looking like the GOP and it's money backers are doing everything they can to make sure Paul doesn't get the nom.
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Brainy, are you serious in saying this, or are you just trolling?
Surely he is just trolling. If not, oh boy...

Obama is a sane choice because he is already a known, known, as the almighty Rumsfeld would say. We have already seen his madness at work and can predict what he will do in the future. Surely the next 4 years will be less insane. I don't think has done a good job by any means, but then again I don't think anyone in office could do a "good job" at this point. I'd rather stick with the guy we already have in there than to have to let another new ------- come in and start trying to change ---- to suit their agenda, further disrupting an already fragile and broken system.

Plus, I used "sane choice" in sort of a troll sense, anyway.
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absolutely not trolling.

logic applied:

obama is destroying america.

some crazy muslims want to destory america.

therefore if I was a crazy muslim, the sane choice would be obama.

/logic.
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Unfortunately it is usually the second term in which a president can "accomplish" the most as they have gained significant momentum. Electing Obama to a second term would allow him to cause some real irreversible damage.
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absolutely not trolling.

logic applied:

obama is destroying america.

some crazy muslims want to destory america.

therefore if I was a crazy muslim, the sane choice would be obama.

/logic.
Brainy, I still can't tell if you are trolling us or not. I'm thinking you aren't serious based on this post however.

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Unfortunately it is usually the second term in which a president can "accomplish" the most as they have gained significant momentum. Electing Obama to a second term would allow him to cause some real irreversible damage.
What damage do you think he'd do? What damage has he done to date?
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