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Old 04-28-2011, 03:07 PM   #1
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Apparently Suerman renounces his citizenship in his 900th issue...


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"Truth, justice and the American way New World Order"

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He never was a citizen. He has always been an illegal alien in the strictest sense, the good people of Smallville should sue him for the education he stole.
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Comrade Jor El will not be pleased with Superman's incompetence.
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I'm sure Jor El has been dissapointed since doomsday and lobo kicked his ***.
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Apparently Suerman renounces his citizenship in his 900th issue...


New moto:
"Truth, justice and the American way New World Order"
Please tell me why you believe in the NWO, can you point to some credible evidence? Is the theory biased on facts, or did it come from events that may or may not be coincidence, but look bad? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or be an ***, but do you believe in any other conspiracy theories? Do you think 9/11 was an "inside job"? I'm just trying to gage your philosophy on this stuff.

I'll admit, I'm coming into this with the preconceived notion that it's probably in one way or another, bullshit. Mainly because I'm pretty sure Dave Mustaine thinks it's true and I don't believe in 95% of what he does.

Megadeth: New World Order <--- good song.
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Gearhead,

The "NWO" is not some secretive organization nor some super powerful hierarchical structure. It is merely a philosophy shared by some people who are movers or shakers aka power brokers in some factions of power in the world. These types believe in the concept of world gov't to supercede national governments, and a single currency to replace all. The philosophy in its current guise has been around since the League of Nations, the predecessor of the UN. They have been largely unsuccessful, as you can see. ~100 years and we still have the USA and >100 countries in the world. Their biggest success thus far has been the Eurozone and the Euro... which recently has been in various stages of threatening to break apart. And getting local oligarchies to cede power to a higher authority is never easy.

The problem with a one-world government is the centralization of power, which inevitably leads to corruption. De-centralized government is more easily controlled by its populace. You can see how DC screws us... much better to have most laws written by the States... or even the counties lol.
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The "NWO" is not some secretive organization nor some super powerful hierarchical structure. It is merely a philosophy shared by some people who are movers or shakers aka power brokers in some factions of power in the world. These types believe in the concept of world gov't to supercede national governments, and a single currency to replace all. The philosophy in its current guise has been around since the League of Nations, the predecessor of the UN. They have been largely unsuccessful, as you can see. ~100 years and we still have the USA and >100 countries in the world. Their biggest success thus far has been the Eurozone and the Euro... which recently has been in various stages of threatening to break apart. And getting local oligarchies to cede power to a higher authority is never easy.

The problem with a one-world government is the centralization of power, which inevitably leads to corruption. De-centralized government is more easily controlled by its populace. You can see how DC screws us... much better to have most laws written by the States... or even the counties lol.
Thank you, that really clears it up for me. When stated like you did, it sounds like the closest things to a NWO that the world has ever seen where the Roman Empire, the British Empire, and to a lessor extent, the USSR with it's satellite nations. Is this the right line of thinking?
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does the superman franchise ever discuss how the world accepts aliens in general? or do they pass him off as a human with powers?
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Clark Kent was an american, he has a SS number. Just because he was born in outer space doesn't mean he can't be an American citizen. Sorta like someone being born in Kenya could very well be born a naturalized american citizen. You don't have to be born within the physical boundaries of the US in order to be born a citizen...and you don't have to start as an american citizen.

anyways, he is going to denounce his American citizenship in the latest issue cause the new writers are haterz.
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I thought Superman was an American - Canadian dual citizen? At least a Kryptonian illegal migrant farm hand.
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According to drudge illegals apparently get SS numbers all the time. I don't believe the Kents ever officially adopted Clark. They just passed him off as their own son after being isolated by a particularly bad snowstorm. He does not have a legit birth certificate short or long form. I don't think there is an issue where he goes through the naturalization process. They and him should be held in prison for a litany of charges including forgery, and fraud. I'm sure homeland security would like to ask them a few questions.

The writers may be haterz, but they are showing a strong capitalistic nature with this stir, and will likely increase sales of this slumping comic book franchise. God bless America.
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The key scene takes place in "The Incident," a short story in Action Comics #900 written by David S. Goyer with art by Miguel Sepulveda. In it, Superman consults with the President's national security advisor, who is incensed that Superman appeared in Tehran to non-violently support the protesters demonstrating against the Iranian regime, no doubt an analogue for the recent real-life protests in the Middle East. However, since Superman is viewed as an American icon in the DC Universe as well as our own, the Iranian government has construed his actions as the will of the American President, and indeed, an act of war.

Superman replies that it was foolish to think that his actions would not reflect politically on the American government, and that he therefore plans to renounce his American citizenship at the United Nations the next day -- and to continue working as a superhero from a more global than national perspective. From a "realistic" standpoint it makes sense; it would indeed be impossible for a nigh-omnipotent being ideologically aligned with America to intercede against injustice beyond American borders without creating enormous political fallout for the U.S. government.

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My Mom immigrated over here from Ireland and she has a SS number, but she did it legally.
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Thank you, that really clears it up for me. When stated like you did, it sounds like the closest things to a NWO that the world has ever seen where the Roman Empire, the British Empire, and to a lessor extent, the USSR with it's satellite nations. Is this the right line of thinking?
Not exactly. Those are old-fashioned empires. Visions of empires are as old as the first megalomanic caveman who took a club to the head of another to subjugate him.

The "NWO" is more specific to the One World types who grew out of the Progressive Movement in the 1890s. They believe in a One World "social democracy" type of gov't. Think of the welfare gov't's of Europe.

No doubt many of them sincerely believe a One World Gov't in the mold of welfarist Europe, is a good thing. They are the intrusive nanny state types - for example, see Hillary Clinton's book "It Takes a Village". She wants gov't workers to keep tabs on all families to ensure all children are raised with "the right values".

Some of them merely see it as a path to more power, such as the Soros types, I believe.

They all come from an elitist mindset: that is, that they are superior to everyone else (how can they not be, look at all their money), and so they have the right and the duty to control the masses.

There seem to exist several flavors of NWO types.

Among them are:
- the Fabianists - the Brave New World types - Aldous Huxley wrote his book based on what he learned from the vision of the world of the Fabian Society.
Check out the Wikipedia entry on Brave New World:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
, and check out the book "Fabian Freeway" -
http://www.amazon.com/Fabian-Freeway.../dp/B00005VUVG
They believe that socialism, morphed into welfarism, is the way to create a structured, tiered society for them to control. The more extreme types believed that future genetic technology that only they could afford would turn them into supermen, genetically separating them from the masses. These guys came out of the "Progressive" movements which was about gov't control over the economy in order that their corporations could kill off their competition via favorable regulations.

- the more militant "fascist" types - these were the guys who tried to launch a coup'd'etat against FDR but failed, thwarted by General Smedley Butler. This huge event in history was thrown into the memory hole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

- the EcoNazi types. Draconian environmental laws are not about the environment, they are about controlling people. A millionaire socialist by the name of Heilbroner, had written in the early 80s, that "socialism will never out-produce a capitalist system, get over it. The way to exert control in the future, is via 'the ecology movement'".

- the ordinary One World Currency types - they don't care much about the social aspects, they just want control over a single world currency. The Federal Reserve has exerted some measure of similar control by controlling the world's reserve currency (USD). However the coming decline of the USD means some of the latter are throwing the Federal Reserve under the bus and pushing for IMF "special drawing rights" or other some such currency.


In my opinion the NWO types have shot their wad. The Euro is tenuous, the Internet is educating people to be wary of centralization of power, and getting gov't's and central banks all over the world to cede power is like herding cats. Exhibit One: the UN never got very far.


What central control types don't get is that Freedom and Free Markets produce the best results. Any centralization of power leads to greater corruption. Central economic planning results in economic inefficiency.


The 80-odd year experiment in cradle-to-grave welfare gov't is ending. Just about every Western gov't that promised huge entitlements to its citizens is on the road to insolvency. Such a system, where everyone tries to live off of everyone else, instead of rewarding productivity by enforcing property rights and letting citizens keep their earnings, is simply, unsustainable.


P.S. Bush Sr. famously uttered the exact phrase "The New World Order". I guess it started out as a buzzphrase among their types...

P.P.S. I sympathize with Superman, in that the USA has completely lost its way, straying far, far from the philosophy of the Founders. OTOH, that other countries are much better in that regard, is sort of a false dichotomy. That the Democrat types are "haterz", and the Republican types are "patriotic", is a big joke. Divide and conquer. Get the masses to argue falsehoods to distract them while they're led down the path towards more enslavement.
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