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Old Oct 25, 2016 | 03:00 PM
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I would not use standalone EBC. Megasquirt closed loop is easier and cheaper.

Not sure anyone here uses standalone.
Old Oct 25, 2016 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by aidandj
I would not use standalone EBC. Megasquirt closed loop is easier and cheaper.

Not sure anyone here uses standalone.
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Old Nov 10, 2016 | 02:34 PM
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So i decided to try the 3psi spring. This time i set up overboost to 150kpa (~7.3psi), which i hit at 5700rpm. I'm going to back the preload off to 1 turn.

I wired up the boost solenoid so will start tuning that, I think the 3psi spring will work well for 8 with 10 as overboost protection.

Just want to make sure I have this right...
Closed loop boost, set targets and overboost protection. drive the car. adjust the PID per the manual until it works. Manual says use 0/100 for min/max duty cycle, is that what everyone does since with ms3 most don't mess with open loop first?

Also, realized I haven't posted a pic of the car in its current form.

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Find your min and max duty cycle. I'm surprised the manual says that.

Open loop boost control.

Set duty cycle to like 10%.

Do a pull.

Increase until you stop gaining spool.

Back it off like 5% to give some room.

Then go to 100% (make sure overboost is set coorectly)

Decrease from 100% until you lose spool

Back up 5% to give some room.
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In order:
  • Turn off closed loop
  • Set overboost ~20kpa above max boost (overboost is a protection strategy against WG failure, not a crutch for crappy EBC tuning. I set it fairly high so I'm not fighting with it during PID tuning)
  • Tune and adjust open loop duty table until you get desired boost level (do this at night, preferably). Do this for several boost levels if you want to set up TPS-based EBC
  • Turn on closed loop and load open loop duty table into closed loop bias table
  • Tune and adjust PID until you are happy (low overshoot and low boost taper/drop at high RPM)
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Originally Posted by Savington
In order:
  • Turn off closed loop
  • Set overboost ~20kpa above max boost (overboost is a protection strategy against WG failure, not a crutch for crappy EBC tuning. I set it fairly high so I'm not fighting with it during PID tuning)
  • Tune and adjust open loop duty table until you get desired boost level (do this at night, preferably). Do this for several boost levels if you want to set up TPS-based EBC
  • Turn on closed loop and load open loop duty table into closed loop bias table
  • Tune and adjust PID until you are happy (low overshoot and low boost taper/drop at high RPM)
Do this after setting min and max duty cycles. The algorithm can be more precise with a smaller range to work in.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
Find your min and max duty cycle. I'm surprised the manual says that.

a whole bunch of driving and time
Or:

1. Sit in your garage with the engine idling, EBC valve uninstalled and out of the car
2. Adjust ECU until EBC valve reacts to DC% inputs at idle
3. Blow into the "vent" port. You should not be able to blow into it at 0%DC. Raise DC until you can just barely blow into it. Back off 2%. That's minimum DC%
4. Raise DC% to 100%. Blow into "signal" port (the port that normally goes to the WG). You should not bea ble to blow into it at 100%DC. Lower DC until you can just barely blow into it. Raise it 2%. That's maximum DC%
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Good idea. Hadn't thought about that.

If you wanted to be scientific you could use regulated air pressure and watch for a pressure drop.
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Originally Posted by Savington
Or:

1. Sit in your garage with the engine idling, EBC valve uninstalled and out of the car
2. Adjust ECU until EBC valve reacts to DC% inputs at idle
3. Blow into the "vent" port. You should not be able to blow into it at 0%DC. Raise DC until you can just barely blow into it. Back off 2%. That's minimum DC%
4. Raise DC% to 100%. Blow into "signal" port (the port that normally goes to the WG). You should not bea ble to blow into it at 100%DC. Lower DC until you can just barely blow into it. Raise it 2%. That's maximum DC%

Perfect, this is what I had in mind if I needed to find the min/max.

I didn't think just using 0/100 seemed right.
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Originally Posted by aidandj
Good idea. Hadn't thought about that.

If you wanted to be scientific you could use regulated air pressure and watch for a pressure drop.
I figured this forum would be more open to instructions which included "blow it"
Old Nov 13, 2016 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Savington
Or:

1. Sit in your garage with the engine idling, EBC valve uninstalled and out of the car
2. Adjust ECU until EBC valve reacts to DC% inputs at idle
3. Blow into the "vent" port. You should not be able to blow into it at 0%DC. Raise DC until you can just barely blow into it. Back off 2%. That's minimum DC%
4. Raise DC% to 100%. Blow into "signal" port (the port that normally goes to the WG). You should not bea ble to blow into it at 100%DC. Lower DC until you can just barely blow into it. Raise it 2%. That's maximum DC%
Ok this is weird. I tried blowing into the vent port at Min at 0% and I could still blow through it, same with Max at 100%. Also, the "in", or the metal inlet gets extremely hot not even on the car, is this normal?
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Originally Posted by MiataMan00
Ok this is weird. I tried blowing into the vent port at Min at 0% and I could still blow through it, same with Max at 100%. Also, the "in", or the metal inlet gets extremely hot not even on the car, is this normal?
i didn't find the blow test very beneficial. I ended up with 7min 97max. So I started driving in closed loop setup mode and found 30 to be the point where mine begins to impact the spool.

if I had to do it again I'd just drive the car and increase a few points at a time as stated above.
Old Nov 13, 2016 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ramensoop
i didn't find the blow test very beneficial. I ended up with 7min 97max. So I started driving in closed loop setup mode and found 30 to be the point where mine begins to impact the spool.

if I had to do it again I'd just drive the car and increase a few points at a time as stated above.
Im not sure the valve is working. I mean, I already set it to all the way open and all the way closed and nothing changed so I'm not sure if driving the car and adjusting it will actually do anything.
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What valve
what frequency is it set for.
Is it clicking?
Have you tried test mode.
Old Nov 13, 2016 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aidandj
What valve
what frequency is it set for.
Is it clicking?
Its the stock EFR valve.
I have no idea what frequency its set for. How would I check that?
No, not clicking. Its just silent, but very hot.
Old Nov 13, 2016 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MiataMan00
Its the stock EFR valve.
I have no idea what frequency its set for. How would I check that?
No, not clicking. Its just silent, but very hot.
its under boost control settings. The EFR manual says set to less than or equal to 32Hz

i have mine set at 26
Old Nov 14, 2016 | 12:03 AM
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The EFR solenoid and MAC valve have very similar (freq) settings.
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Mine is also at 26
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Using the MAC or EFR solenoid, on my setup the EFR gate didn't begin to react until around 25-30% duty cycle
Old Nov 14, 2016 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RalliartRsX
Using the MAC or EFR solenoid, on my setup the EFR gate didn't begin to react until around 25-30% duty cycle
Max or min?



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