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Old 08-22-2013, 04:31 PM   #81
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And now we get to the heart of it.

Which makes me wonder why this comment pissed all the 1.6 owners off?



If the only advantage is cheapness, why throw money at cheapness? I have yet to hear someone with a turbo 1.6 say "If I had to do it again, I would stick with my 1.6." So why is Sav advising a noob to do what you all wish you could have done offensive?
Dude, 1.8 stuff is cheap too, so that point is irrelevant. Just because one person said they did it because it was cheap does not make it apply for every person.

Oh and, if I were to do it all over again I would stick with my 1.6. And I absolutely mean that. Now I am not saying if I bought a 1.8 car I would swap in a 1.6, that would just be stupid. The car came with that engine, both suck so stick with what you have. That is why I am saving up to swap the LS1 into my white car. Like I stated before, I think, and this is my personal opinion, for most applications that people use these turbo'd Miatas for, which are supped up street cars, the 1.6 does just fine.
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And I never said if I could do it over with a 1.8 I would. I did it exactly how I wanted given the circumstances.


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If I was starting from stock would I choose a 1.8? Yes.



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It's not really a debate. Not sure why people are getting so uppity about people doing 1.6 builds. No one here EVER recommends them when people ask, so no one is getting misinformation.
Which is why I don't understand why what Sav said set everybody off, got him -2, and promises of never buying from him again.
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It's the attitude and the demeanor of how the subject is approached.

What do you know, you don't even have a turbo charged Miata. So who cares what you think.
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:53 PM   #84
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It's the attitude and the demeanor of how the subject is approached.

What do you know, you don't even have a turbo charged Miata. So who cares what you think.
wah wah wah typical small pen0r 1.6 owner talk

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This thread is not getting out of hand fast enough.

Let's find facebook pictures of owner's and their old rsx(s) and youtube subscriptions to workout video's and post them here. That should make this disagreement more interesting.
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wah wah wah typical small pen0r 1.6 owner talk

It was an example of a shitty demeanor.

Hey how is dat throttle response now that your NA?
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:05 PM   #87
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I know I know.

Dat response is like whoah. Pegs the tach whenever I even look at the loud pedal. (I would imagine as there's no motor at all in there )
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**** I bet, I'm sure you can hear those itb's just scream making that throttle so responsive. Probably snaps necks.

******* lol this is off topic, but the other night at in n out there was a riced the **** out integra. Had all the typical stupid stickers, but my my favorite was across the windshield on the bottom. It said in stupid looking script writing "snappin necks"

For some reason he didn't want to race my gay little 1.6 Miata. Strange really.
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You choose not to swap a 1.8 despite knowing it is superior, that's stubborn. If you were lazy you would just drive a stock 1.6 and not mod it at all.
Lol, what's wrong with working with what you got? I mean honestly, take a step back, a 1.8 turbo will be just as fun as a 1.6 turbo, and at the end of the day, I just want a fun car to dick around.

Here's why I'm "lazy" to do it.

1. I would have to look extremely hard for a decent 1.8 motor. Looking at 700+ for a used motor (CA rates).

2. Purchasing FM swap kit

3. Figure out how to get said 1.8 motor back to my house.

4. Convince the gf that a 1.8 motor is absolutely necessary.

5. It takes up space in my garage

6. Pull out 1.6 motor to install 1.8 motor

7. Sit on 1.6 motor till it's sold. Taking up garage space again.

8. Dealing with nagging gf on why at one point I had TWO motors in the garage, when the original 1.6 is still good.

9. Assuming I went 1.8 turbo these series of event will happen: get rolled by cops, hood gets popped, receive ref ticket (which will be by second one. I got one for my wrx). Go to court, judge will ask wtf is wrong with me, gives me two options: junk the car or pass the ref.

10. Go to ref station with 1.8 motor. Referee will notice 1.8 motor did not come in '92. Will asked if the motor was ever BAR certified (regardless if it's legal to put a newer motor in). Another fking headache.

11. Get everything all sorted out with ref ticket. Pay fking expensive *** fine.

12. At the end of the day, feel retarded for listening to a bunch of dudes from the interweb, convincing you a 1.8 swap is worth doing, when your end goal is only 220whp.

14. GF breaks up with for being an idiot.

15. Joins one way mission to Mars to live out the remainder of your life on a planet that doesn't even have oxygen. Jumps out of airlock, dies.

See a 1.8 motor swap isn't as simple as everyone makes it out to be. It doesn't meet my end goals, so yeah, pretty lazy on that part.
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It's the attitude and the demeanor of how the subject is approached.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was m.net

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What do you know, you don't even have a turbo charged Miata. So who cares what you think.
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Here's why I'm "lazy" to do it.

blah blah blah

Uhh, doesn't all of that apply when turboing a 1.6 too (steps 9-15)?
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I (as well as many here) did a 1.8 swap and managed to stay alive and well, grounded on earth.
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There are too many variables here. In my mind the hierarchy goes like this:

LSX > built 1.8 > built 1.6 > oem 1.8 > oem 1.6

So imo, Ryan is a big step above most of the forum with his uber 1.6.
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Uhh, doesn't all of that apply when turboing a 1.6 too (steps 9-15)?
Lesser of two evils. Ref ticket on 1.6 is a lot less of a headache. Remove turbo, revert back to stock, pay expensive *** fine.

The ref is not a fun place to be.
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Which is why I don't understand why what Sav said set everybody off, got him -2, and promises of never buying from him again.
Because he just told a lot of people that have put money into building their cars that they are stubborn, lazy and wasted their money.

I know we here at mt.net are supposed to be a bunch of hard asses, and if he was just another member on here no one would really care, but he isn't and people take what he says more seriously.

And to the first part that you quoted, I'm not sure what is so "wat" about it? I didn't buy a stock car. I bought one that was already quite modified. If I wanted to start out on a fresh, stock car it would be a 1.8. But I didn't, I wanted something that was already in the ball park of where I wanted it, and it just so happened it was a 1.6.


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This thread is not getting out of hand fast enough.

Let's find facebook pictures of owner's and their old rsx(s) and youtube subscriptions to workout video's and post them here. That should make this disagreement more interesting.
For the record I never hunted anyones facebook, everything I posted was directly from this forum.

My 2c is that the 1.6 is similarly competitive in MY experience with a 6 speed on the circuit because the low end the 1.8 makes wont help it.

The last 1.6 I built that everyone bitches about FTD 80 cars by 2.5 seconds on Monday, including some very well sorted big dollar 1.9L builds.

I still think a 1.8L would be better but there are nice things about 1.6Ls for a lot of people, cheap buy in, very cheap baller setups because they are '****', and PnP ecus with very good basemaps for very cheap.

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You say plenty of power over me, I'm actually curious as to what that number would actually be.
At 3500rpm, it's literally 100ft.lbs of torque, and several people with GT2560R or EFR6258/6758 setups have made more low end torque than my old 2871R setup used to.

Let's put it this way: My naturally aspirated 1.8 liter PTE car makes more torque than your 1.6 turbo car does at ~4000rpm.
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Doesnt everyones Miata cruise at 3000rpm? Like.. You are never under 3k, and on the track never under 5.

Sooo..

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Because he just told a lot of people that have put money into building their cars that they are stubborn, lazy and wasted their money.

I know we here at mt.net are supposed to be a bunch of hard asses, and if he was just another member on here no one would really care, but he isn't and people take what he says more seriously.

And to the first part that you quoted, I'm not sure what is so "wat" about it? I didn't buy a stock car. I bought one that was already quite modified. If I wanted to start out on a fresh, stock car it would be a 1.8. But I didn't, I wanted something that was already in the ball park of where I wanted it, and it just so happened it was a 1.6.
My wife has some tampons in the bathroom, want me to mail you some?

Like, omg, weren't in the army? did they teach you how to cry like this there?
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My wife has some tampons in the bathroom, want me to mail you some?

Like, omg, weren't in the army? did they teach you how to cry like this there?
Don't try and pass it off like they are your wife's tampons. We all know you don't wear the pants in that relationship.


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Don't try and pass it off like they are your wife's tampons.



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