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Old 06-13-2013, 01:38 PM   #81
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So what you're saying is instead of having the option of playing new games with high end graphics, you want to be limited by the video card that came on the device when it was first released? You must be a mac guy too.
So which is it?

I can play pc with my $100 gpu and be happy I don't need uber graphix.
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I can play pc with teh bez graphix cause i have dual 7990s that I only spent $2k on.

Maybe there is more than one way to game? NOOOOOOO WAY BRO CONSOLE BLOWZZZZZ

It's hard for me to follow the lack of logic in this thread.


Also I don't run OSX or Win, I'm assuming you do. Which automatically lowers my opinion of you
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I dont play PC games when the internet is down in my house... It's always connected otherwise.
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Yes but can you play games using the mouse and keyboard?
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I know pricing is irrelevant in this discussion when referring to PC vs Console...

But for those arguing about how expensive PCs might be, are you also considering the price of your TV? A 26" Monitor that a PC gamer sits 2 feet away from costs a hell of a lot less than a 55" LCD that the console gamer sits 15 feet away from. What about the price of your home theater system versus my surround sound headphones?

Just sayin...

Back on topic: **** the XBone.
I use my TV for more than gaming
I have surround sound headphones for my xbox
I enjoy sitting on the couch in the same room as my wife when playing my game. Not hidden away hunched over a keyboard.

Those are the reasons I migrated from PC gaming to console gaming in 2007ish. My desktop was severely out of date and my laptop just barely kept up and is now out of date. It was cheaper for me to game on my console in addition to the notes above.
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I know pricing is irrelevant in this discussion when referring to PC vs Console...
Sure it is... ps3 runs a gtx440 equivalent video card. If you want to compare it play your games at 720pi and low graphics. Dont upgrade ur video card.. run games at **** settings just like you'd get with a ps3.

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I use my TV for more than gaming
I have surround sound headphones for my xbox
I enjoy sitting on the couch in the same room as my wife when playing my game. Not hidden away hunched over a keyboard.

Those are the reasons I migrated from PC gaming to console gaming in 2007ish. My desktop was severely out of date and my laptop just barely kept up and is now out of date. It was cheaper for me to game on my console in addition to the notes above.
You can run pc on a tv with a joystick so i dont see the point behind this.


PC is only more expensive because there are always games that allow you to test your system. In other words if you want to play at max settings you gotta pay extra while for console you have no option for graphics, everything is made for the same hardware.
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My desktop was severely out of date and my laptop just barely kept up and is now out of date. It was cheaper for me to game on my console in addition to the notes above.
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You can run pc on a tv with a joystick so i dont see the point behind this.


PC is only more expensive because there are always games to test your system. In other words if you want to play at max settings you gotta pay extra while for console you have no option, everything is made for the same hardware.
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edit: but to be on topic, i hightly doubt I will get an XBone and after not buying a ps2 or 3, I will probably move to playstation.
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So which is it?
-------------The point-------------------->




You .

Let me try to explain to you what i mean. I thought it was clear enough but i guess not.

You dont need urber graphics to play video games on a pc. You can play with console equivalent graphics running equivalent graphic card however you have an option of playing with better graphics if you have the hardware while on a console you're stuck with the **** graphics card that came with the console at the time of production. The only difference is on a console the games are made for those **** graphics hardware while on a pc the max settings keep getting better and better.
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I use my TV for more than gaming
This is exactly my point with the PC.
It works both ways.
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-------------The point-------------------->




You .

Let me try to explain to you what i mean. I thought it was clear enough but i guess not.

You dont need urber graphics to play video games on a pc. You can play with console equivalent graphics running equivalent graphic card however you have an option of playing with better graphics if you have the hardware while on a console you're stuck with the **** graphics card that came with the console at the time of production. The only difference is on a console the games are made for those **** graphics hardware while on a pc the max settings keep getting better and better.
The irony almost hurts.
My point is that there are many ways to game. For some it's easier/better to game on console. For my situation it makes sense to own a console. Talking in absolutes is a good way to look stupid (PC is always better!!)

I've never said console is always better, there are times when it is for certain people though.
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But for those arguing about how expensive PCs might be, are you also considering the price of your TV? A 26" Monitor that a PC gamer sits 2 feet away from costs a hell of a lot less than a 55" LCD that the console gamer sits 15 feet away from. What about the price of your home theater system versus my surround sound headphones?
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This is exactly my point with the PC.
It works both ways.
That's fair. It would be interesting to see a rolling five year cost comparison of TV + console + non-gaming PC vs TV + gaming PC. It sounds to me like the price and need to constantly upgrade a PC has diminished compared to when I looked at it years ago.

Like someone else mentioned, I went from Nintendo to Sega Genesis to Playstation to Xbox to Xbox 360. If I were to pick one console today, it would be the PS4 based on what I think I know about them.


So let's talk about used games: PS4 vs Xbox One. Will I be able to go to Gamestop and buy a used game for either at a reasonable discount over original MSRP?
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To me it seems now that I need to upgrade the ram and processor to upper mid range specs every 4 years or so, and the graphics card to a 2 generations old upper end unit every 3 years to keep up with being able to max out games on a single 1600x1050 monitor. Though I've gotten to the point with mine now that I think 1 more graphics card upgrade (my 460gtx would be due up in a year on the old cycle but I dont think its ready yet) would do me all the way up till we have really true to life looking graphics. Unless I make some extra money on the side and upgrade my life to a 3 monitor 4K setup.
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So let's talk about used games: PS4 vs Xbox One. Will I be able to go to Gamestop and buy a used game for either at a reasonable discount over original MSRP?
We've yet to be told the cost of playing a used game on xbox 1. Some say you'll need to pay the full cost of the game, others say a fee but no definite numbers yet.

I havent bought a console since my ps2 but i've had luck buying used games for the ps2 from gamestop for 1-2 bucks. Some stores have that stack of games in paper sleeves in a cardboard box. If you look in there you'll find quite a bit of going for 99 cents..
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So let's talk about used games: PS4 vs Xbox One. Will I be able to go to Gamestop and buy a used game for either at a reasonable discount over original MSRP?
It's pretty clear for PS4. Nothing has changed.

For Xbone, it's all up in the air.
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XB is really trying to push the steam style of licensing/play. Here's what I predict Microsoft is REALLY trying to do:

1. Introduce the XBone to the market as an enhanced capability 360 with a substantially larger hard drive and processing/graphics power while allowing players to start playing on the XB with minimal impact/change to the current "video game buying experience" and while minimally imposing itself on the majority of the customer base - (13 YO pimplefaces won't care that their bones are always connected and always spying on them, their parents largely won't even comprehend the idea. Besides; my computer is always connected to the internet, what's the big difference?

2. Within 12 months of release, a prime title/franchise relase (HALO 12) will be released as ONLINE EXCLUSIVE for 3 months. After the 3 month trial period, MS will release HALO on disk "by popular demand". 3 months later, Microsoft will pull HALO from the shelves for having "abysmal storefront sales".

3. Within 18 months of release, no Microsoft titles will be available for in-store purchase. Within 24 months, under guidance from Microsoft, all third party software will be released "Network Exclusive"

4. Throughout the whole process, XBox Live will still be a paid service. Though it will drop to $1.49 a month with Microsoft's first "Network Exclusive" release. Within 48 months of the price drop, the price will increase back to a final resting point between $2.49 and $2.99/month.



PS4 Predictions:

Within 36-48 months of release, many PS4 games will be "Network Exclusive", but Sony will make a concerted effort to ensure that all of their major titles are available in-store. Sony will also come up with a "thumb drive kiosk" system that they place in major retail locations in place of the vast merchandising space required for a full display of all of their games. The thumb drive kiosk will allow players to purchase games with accompanying license information from a store and install the games to their PS4 from the thumb drive. The thumb drive will first need to be initialized at a user's PS4 with the PS4s encryption information, the kiosk will then place an encrypted copy of the game on the user's thumb drive that only the user's PS4 will be able to copy. Sony will subsidize the purchase price of the thumb drives for the first 6-12 months, discounting the first game purchase made by each unique encryption key by some amount. Within 96 months, kiosk purchases will die off in favor of all online purchases, and sony will discontinue the kiosk POS system.

In the end, you won't have to worry about buying used games for EITHER system, they simply won't exist in physical form. The very first "excuse" that you'll see from Sony regarding a "Network Exclusive" release will be simply: "The game is too large to fit on a blu-ray disk". That is when you will start seeing the true advances in graphics capability of these systems - when you're playing Madden '15, and it's a 114 GB game, you're going to think you're looking at highlight reels relative to what we're seeing now...

Both the XBone and the PS4 will end their lifecycles as "Network only" gaming systems, it's just that Sony is much better at "letting the market evolve" while Microsoft has developed their entire corporate business model on "forcing the market to evolve". One of those marketing concepts works exceptionally well, and one of those concepts is a self-inflicted death sentence, but both of those marketing concepts are aimed at accomplishing the same goals in the end.

Sony has designed a system that is intended to "evolve" over time, while microsoft wants their evolution to happen right now. It's kind of like what would happen if homosapiens all of a suddden appeared out of nowhere in the middle of the cretaceous period. Without the understanding of a civilization, tools, or fire, we would have quickly become the Bil-Jacs of the dino-period.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony's PS4 system was designed with a user-interchangeable graphics adapter. They could harness what is "near top-of-the-line" technology now, and provide an "upgrade" option to users in the future, while XBone would have to provide "better than top of the line" video processing technology now in order to stay competitive in the future market. If I were Sony, I would not release news on an interchangeable video processing system until mere days before the XB release.

TL;DR. Pass on the XBone.
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when you're playing Madden '15, and it's a 114 GB game, you're going to think you're looking at highlight reels relative to what we're seeing now...
I think when we truly get graphics that good game size will drop because it wont be from just coming with high resolution textures for 3d sprites it will be actually generating all the graphics data live with no pre made textures.
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High end games require a high mesh count in the environment, not so much high resolution textures. Mesh takes up a lot more space since its a 3d environment.
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Gr aphics no big is matter. Galaga doubleplusgood, is lo-rez sprites.

Gameplay is matter- titles good, controls good, online experiance and user interface. Is these suck, no sell fast chips 3D. (also price, but squishy this.)
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Yeah I've been finding game play to be lacking lately I've had a string of games that I get half way through, get bored, dont finish. I put in a concerted effort to beat bioshock 1 last night because dammit I hadn't beaten a game in a long time.
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Bioshock 1 was magnificent. I almost beat it in one sitting, ended up crashing at 6AM.
Im ashamed to admit that it was on 360... but I didnt have a capable computer at the time.
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Gr aphics no big is matter. Galaga doubleplusgood, is lo-rez sprites.

Gameplay is matter- titles good, controls good, online experiance and user interface. Is these suck, no sell fast chips 3D. (also price, but squishy this.)
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