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Old 04-02-2009, 05:33 PM   #21
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stfu with this e85 bullshit or I'll beat your *** like your dad, ------. Do not **** me off again.
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I hear that the US might be lifting a tariff/embargo/whatever that will make it easier to move E85 (cane based) from Brazil to the US. That could make it more prevalent. Right now the domestic E85 producers are eating corn poop (not doing well).

There is one E85 retailer here in San Antonio but they are like 30 minutes from where I work (even farther from where I live) so I have not tried it myself yet.
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I hear that the US might be lifting a tariff/embargo/whatever that will make it easier to move E85 (cane based) from Brazil to the US. That could make it more prevalent. Right now the domestic E85 producers are eating corn poop (not doing well).

There is one E85 retailer here in San Antonio but they are like 30 minutes from where I work (even farther from where I live) so I have not tried it myself yet.
Sugar cane is the best way to make E85. You can make it from leaves if you wanted to. All you are looking for is a sugar base.
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Word. The Brazilians have E85 well integrated into their infrastructure and are way ahead of us. There is even information published in the papers that indicate whether gas or E85 is a better deal from day to day.
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Put it this way, are you running a turbo? Did you replace the fuel lines? If you did you are good. I know guys that are running SR's with stock fuel lines...for the most part...and E85. No issues.

You can run it all on it's own too. You don't need to blend it if you have a stand alone. I think the blending is if you don't have a good computer/ECU to upgrade. The SR/RB guys running it here use a friend of mine to tune their ECU's. So if you run it straight you need a tune. If you blend it, you can probably do some small adjustments.

E85 is definitely good for the track/hotter areas/making huge HP. It lowers the knock considerably. There are guys that swear by it. Once I get my standalone (thanks Travis) working and my car moving properly, I am switching over to E85 but also going to be using 91. Just depends on time of year and what I am doing. Some places carry allot of E85 and some don't. Point being, Omaha has allot of E85 places.
Im planning to run straight e-85, just asking if the lines can be use with e-85.
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Sugar cane is the best way to make E85. You can make it from leaves if you wanted to. All you are looking for is a sugar base.
E-85 is made from CORN! Thats why its so easily attainable in the mid-west.
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E-85 is made from CORN! Thats why its so easily attainable in the mid-west.
No one's denying this, only saying that it's easier and/or better to make it from Cane.
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E-85 is made from CORN! Thats why its so easily attainable in the mid-west.
I know...

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Im planning to run straight e-85, just asking if the lines can be use with e-85.
Like I said, you should be ok. I have friends running the stock lines and nothing has happened. I'd change them out just depending on the year of your car. If it's older than 10 years, just do it. Saves the headache of replacing fuel lines when they bust.

What's you car's setup? If it's NA, stick with regular gas. If it's turbo go for it. But you need either a retune, standalone or something to get more fuel into your system. E85 is about 75% of that of gas.
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E-85 is made from CORN! Thats why its so easily attainable in the mid-west.
It is made from corn in the US. The Brazilians make it from CANE.
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Put it this way, are you running a turbo? Did you replace the fuel lines? If you did you are good. I know guys that are running SR's with stock fuel lines...for the most part...and E85. No issues.

You can run it all on it's own too. You don't need to blend it if you have a stand alone. I think the blending is if you don't have a good computer/ECU to upgrade. The SR/RB guys running it here use a friend of mine to tune their ECU's. So if you run it straight you need a tune. If you blend it, you can probably do some small adjustments.

E85 is definitely good for the track/hotter areas/making huge HP. It lowers the knock considerably. There are guys that swear by it. Once I get my standalone (thanks Travis) working and my car moving properly, I am switching over to E85 but also going to be using 91. Just depends on time of year and what I am doing. Some places carry allot of E85 and some don't. Point being, Omaha has allot of E85 places.
I am running E-85 with a turbo and no standalone. With good injectors and standalone you can easily run pure E85 without issue. My tiny 305cc injectors with the FMU still can not get enough *** in there to get it all to work.

Now... I do have a question for everyone......... What AFRs are you seeing while running E85?

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Now... I do have a question for everyone......... What AFRs are you seeing while running E85?

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This is what you should be seeing:
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So with that chart does that mean that stoich for E85 would be .85X9 +.15X14.7= 9.855?
Percentage wise, would we go as rich in boost in the different levels as you would with regular? If not do you need to go richer or leaner than you would normally?
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My mazdaspeed protege would heat soak the tiny intercooler and pull timing constantly. Running 50% e85 pretty much fixed it completely and the car ran a helluva lot better.
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E85 not only has a higher 'octane' rating, but when it vaporizes, ethanol absorbs a lot more energy than gasoline. Therefore the intake charge (post-injector) ends up being cooler as well.
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