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Old 10-14-2010, 04:27 PM   #21
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Our people are just up the *** of special interest groups. The hippies-liberal-douchers decided that cows contribute to the worlds "carbon footprint" so now dairy farmers (who were allready struggling because they cant sell their milk for ****) have to pay some kind of enviromental fee because their cows have to take a ****. Special interest groups can suck it. Just another example of people ****** up.
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Old 10-14-2010, 04:30 PM   #22
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it's always the hippie liberal douchers. they're the same ones against pouring tons and tons of factory farmed chicken poop onto fields and inadvertently killing all life in the chesapeake.

stupid treehuggers.
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Old 10-14-2010, 04:43 PM   #23
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The article does say that it's only approved for cars 2007 and newer. Presumably that means that there will be plenty of E10 or E0 gas available as well.

I wonder what would happen to the agricultural subsidies if Iowa and Rhode Island traded places on the presidential primary schedule. Or if citizens in rural states weren't disproportionately represented in the senate...
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I just wish they'd go to straight ethanol at the pumps.
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then we could drink it!
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the stability if e85? like on a scale for gas is the octane rating, what would e85 be equivilant to? I can see where dopelgagnger make sense by just adding volumes of it to make more power but it also has to be stable for timing advance and low detonation.....to make power.
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then we could drink it!

Exactamundo.

$3 a gallon would reduce my monthly alcohol costs significantly.



That and I like fires you can't see until it's too late.
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:22 PM   #28
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there's zero benefit to this gov't forced intervention.
that's not what he corn farmers say
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:38 PM   #30
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that's not what he corn farmers say
no, they say "crap, I'm still broke even though I farm a zillion acres with my 15 combine harvesters!"
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All ethanol used for fuel is denatured... but I suppose we could all get used to the taste of denatonium benzoate with time.

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no, they say "crap, I'm still broke even though I farm a zillion acres with my 15 combine harvesters!"
Don't they have the option to raise prices? Supply&Demand?
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All ethanol used for fuel is denatured... but I suppose we could all get used to the taste of denatonium benzoate with time.



Don't they have the option to raise prices? Supply&Demand?




It's a false demand paid for by government subsides. That's why corn syrup is in all your foods.
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Old 10-14-2010, 06:42 PM   #33
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It's a false demand paid for by government subsides. That's why corn syrup is in all your foods.
Don't even get me started on HFCS...good grief.

You're just plain naive if you think government isn't in the pocket of the big corn lobby.
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And if corn weren't subsidized we'd probably have a lot less of the big monoculture swaths of corn farmland whose runoff produces huge dead zones in the Gulf. And the actual little farmers would farm a whole bunch of different crops.
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And we wouldn't have these lame threads were everyone just complains.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:18 PM   #36
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and we wouldn't have these lame threads were everyone just complains.
+e85
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Don't they have the option to raise prices? Supply&Demand?
There's a thread around here somewhere where people are all jazzed about getting connecting rods for like $10 less than m-tuned sells them for.

since we all know corn is corn is Monsanto corn, it's interchangable. plus you dont determine your own prices. the grain elevator does. if someone shows up and asks for 2% more, they will laugh and send them on their way to let their corn rot.
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If this thread doesn't belong in the BS section, then I'd say the OP is a troll. Either way, I'm not getting it...
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the CO benefits are negated.
Depends what you mean by that. CO2 from 65 million years ago (oil) is not the same as CO2 from 6 months ago (corn). The CO2 released when burning e85 was in the atmosphere 6 months ago and doesn't result in a net increase.

That being said, making ethanol from corn is terribly inefficient and has close to a 1:1 energy equation so the CO2 released from production (and all the water used to produce it) offsets any potential gain.

IMO government subsidized corn ethanol is a direct result of Iowa being the first presidential primary. Anyone with presidential hopes will have to answer why they don't support corn farmers if they vote against it. There is also lobbyist pressure but I feel that has less to do with it.
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I wonder how many gallons of diesel it takes to farm and deliver that gallon of e85.
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