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Old 06-13-2007, 04:47 PM   #21
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PCPro is $500. Supposedly Moss is going to offer it for less, but without the PNP harness.

For the MS you're going to need an AIT sensor, which is very inexpensive. Your injectors should be fine for your power, but it might be a good idea to get them serviced if they haven't been. It would be a good idea to pick up a WB controller too.
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How's your clutch?
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:15 PM   #23
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I like the EMB.... honestly, when I first installed it, I was scared about it. I like the control to do the timing/fuel.... but I was worried I was gonna screw it up.

But after having it installed for a year, I'm very happy with the results. I have control over the timing, and the fuel... and I can datalog, change whenever I want. The autotune option from olderguy, makes the maps a snap.... once you get your head around it.

It was a great first step. I would say, I wouldn't be as afraid of something like a link, SDS, MS, etc... now. I understand the concepts, etc....

However, I would also say, there are limitations.... The data cable is one, you have to make one, or get a real one. So if you are getting an EMB get it with the cable. I didn't get one, but I also paid 200 cdn for it. Harnesses are good.... I'm to the point, if I was to start with a stock car, stock harness, I'd leave it that way. Also, there's the autotune. Add-on to the EM-B, but worth it. Simpiflies the maps, and helps with the tuning, so anybody can do it.

Finally, I wouldn't do any of this again, without a WB. I know the prices have dropped significatly since I've been boosted, however, I really like the idea of having something to make sure the tune, the stock O2 is doing what it says. Would I look at it, every day.... no.... but it does make it much safer, etc for when you are tuning, no matter what you are using. Especially, since things like the www.14point7.com (JAW) is so cheap... you can put it toget for 100->150 bucks CDN. Which is nothin'.

I did a thread on the BRP forum, when I did the initial install, to help people over there understand what it was that I was doing, and why, outcomes, etc.... Hanging out here, I've learned a lot too.... but it was just something I wanted to have to help people searching there.... Might be worth the read.... <G>

http://stageonetuning-forum.infopop....4/m/3431002142

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Ms needs the unit itself with mod wich can be had from DIY autotune, the AIT sensor agian from DIY autotune or the local Napa etc, and some bigger injectors wouldn't hurt you either some 300's or so depending on the power you want to run. i have some high impdance ones lemme know if you want them 45 bucks +shipping
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Old 06-13-2007, 07:48 PM   #25
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Thanks for all the quick responses. I finally got my scanner to work, here's a printout of the dyno:
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Old 06-13-2007, 08:13 PM   #26
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I can't open that. I get a pop up box that says the file is corrupted.
Can you take a screen shot and post it?
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Works for me i dLd it and then repoped it on photo bucket here is the chart seems kinda low for a mp62 at 7psi. Name:  mp62.jpg
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for the money, sds is a terrible choice. It works well but the tuning interface sucks.
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It's not an MP62, it's a DIY M62...slightly different, especially in the bypass valve and outlet mainfold. Here's a pic:
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Actually, at 7psi or so... I put out very similar numbers on the M1 1.8 head.... I think I was in the 155's on a dyno-pack... IIRC.... I really think the efficiency of the 99 head helps those M2's vs. what can get out of a M1 1.8 head.... Numbers I've seen are about 15 hp lower.... or so...

However, I should really get my car back on the dyno again....

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for the money, sds is a terrible choice. It works well but the tuning interface sucks.
For retail money, or for the $400 I could get it for?
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For retail money, or for the $400 I could get it for?
I didn't read that part. I'd probably take it for that price though.
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Yeah, it sounded like a pretty good price considering what they cost new. My tuner friend said they are simple and easy to set up, but way more efficient then EMB. I need to see if I can find a price list for exactly what it would cost me to set up megasquirt. If it's in the $400 range I'll probably go that route, but if not, I'll probably get this SDS. Like I said, 170 reliable horsepower is my goal. I may just weld a wideband bung in precat so I can dyno with the O2 sensor in place and see if a clamp solves the problem, for $60 that's a cheap enough experiment.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:45 PM   #34
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If you build a MS yourself you're in the $400 range. $187 for MS kit, $65 harness, $100 boomslang, IAT w/bung $30...will take time and effort to get install state, but you'll have yourself a fully programable ECU that people actually support
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