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Old 02-22-2010, 03:33 PM   #21
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why do we bother..
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that sjmarcey dude is insane. he's the only one that keeps bring up "lag" he dumps in any sort of delay at all to the term; be it turbo or gearing or even hesitating on the line

When I defined the true definition of turbo lag, he stated it was too commercialized for him to accept.

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Too many keyboard, internet, magazine, and armchair benchmark racers that post on that board.. 100% of their knowledge of turbochargers was read in some magazine from 1912 and have never in their life driven a turbocharged vehicle. Well, maybe it was a MAC truck or something. That might have "lag."
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I'm thinking the SC/turbo debate is a little like politics and religion. Logic and facts will rarely change peoples minds regarding issues involving passion and beliefs.
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but he designed this Renault with a T3 back in 1984.



and now drives a lotus, he's the king.
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I've often wondered about the Rotrex, or simular belt driven turbo's. Is the relationship between boost and engine demand linear, with the boost always ahead of it. Where does the throttle body go, before or after the blower. I heard those things need to spin at rediciously high rpm. What's the longivity? Is there any over run? Bob

Well, bob, I would make sure to plumb it after the throttle body, closer to the injectors, the better. Also, I'd probably recommend a topmount intercooler right over the exhaust, just cut a hole in the hood to make it functional.

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but he designed this Renault with a T3 back in 1984.



and now drives a lotus, he's the king.


Wait.. Is that guy actually JimB?
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Old 02-22-2010, 03:52 PM   #27
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but he designed this Renault with a T3 back in 1984.



and now drives a lotus, he's the king.
That thing looks HELLA [email protected]

Im so impressed that I just ejaculated.

Well since that one guy posted a picture of an ancient and likely unsuccessful race car, that obviouly means we are all wrong.

I will now sell my turbo kit and buy some ITB's, better yet, SIDE DRAFT CARBZZZ!

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Old 02-22-2010, 03:58 PM   #28
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I'm just going to sell my engine and attach some ropes to a horse, imagine the weight savings, no engine/drivetrain wowy!
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Wait.. Is that guy actually JimB?
ha. similarities huh?
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Old 02-22-2010, 04:13 PM   #30
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I'm just going to sell my engine and attach some ropes to a horse, imagine the weight savings, no engine/drivetrain wowy!
Im going to sell my car and get a 2000 lb boulder sitting on top of a foot long lever, because it would generate 2000 ft/lbs of TORQUE!
Since horsepower is irrelevant, this boulder should be significant faster than my Miata which only makes a measly 150 ft/lbs or so.
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Im going to sell my car and get a 2000 lb boulder sitting on top of a foot long lever, because it would generate 2000 ft/lbs of TORQUE!
Since horsepower is irrelevant, this boulder should be significant faster than my Miata which only makes a measly 150 ft/lbs or so.
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The first production turbocharged automobile engines came from General Motors in 1962.
I'm aware... but even M.netters have advanced past 1962.


Ok some of them at least...
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The entire problem is that half them AND half of you guys are totally unwilling to admit that superchargers do things that turbos do not do.

The other half of the problem is that most of the people on each side of the argument have virtually no experience with the other type of FI.
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I totally admit they are able to thrill the feeble minded!
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Why the hell does everybody think its okay to use insane examples for everything.

Sure, a konnisseg CCXR is supercharged. Yes, Im sure its easier to contol supercharger than it would be Turbocharged. Its also OVER 1000 HP!

If you cant control a 200hp turbo Miata, youre a *****.
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Why the hell does everybody think its okay to use insane examples for everything.

Sure, a konnisseg CCXR is supercharged. Yes, Im sure its easier to contol supercharger than it would be Turbocharged. Its also OVER 1000 HP!

If you cant control a 200hp turbo Miata, youre a *****.
Why not bust out the Bugatti Veyron (mouse) on them. Its turbocharged. And attracted to large bodies of water (lakes).
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We all know most of our cars look like this:
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Damn it Brian, the T25 is for experienced racers only. And that one is mis-tuned, it should be making peak TQ at 10500, not 9600. It must be the blown welds on the intake. I told you not to use both stages of NAWZ at once on a Tuesday near the summer solstice! Now we have to import new halogen fluid from Japon.

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Well that was a no-lag response!

I think lots of folks care about lag/sluggish & weird throttle response. They don't all post you know. In most forums less than 1% of members actively post. And only a small percentage of those post in lag threads.

I bet that 100% of all turbo owners would happily upgrade to the same output but with normally aspirated throttle response / crispness.

100% > 90% so there, lol, very scientific and credible.
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