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Old 02-22-2010, 10:17 PM   #41
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Fine, rules...yay. Ok, this guy, up ^here, is obviously an idiot. But he still is allowed to be an idiot. Why. Ban FROM life.
That guys a Tardvark
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:44 PM   #42
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Fine, rules...yay. Ok, this guy, up ^here, is obviously an idiot. But he still is allowed to be an idiot. Why. Ban FROM life.
In response to that guys post, did you know that 69% of statistics are made up on the spot?
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When you guys see argument, I see a billboard. Buahahah....... man I had to lol.
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ha. similarities huh?
He sold the Miata and bought a bunch of the worst looking Loti (Is that the proper plural?) ever produced.. Eurpoa.. LMAO..
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**** it.

The one person I was attempting to give personal first hand evidence to completely ignored every factual point I've put forward proving his 'lag' argument was useless..

I quit, it blew up two more pages and I'm really not feeling like reading.
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**** it.

The one person I was attempting to give personal first hand evidence to completely ignored every factual point I've put forward proving his 'lag' argument was useless..

I quit, it blew up two more pages and I'm really not feeling like reading.
Neither was this guy...
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Well, all this controversy just goes to prove that there is no clear winner in the never ending battle of Turbo vs. Super....
How could you understand 1/3 of that and even close to believe that a roots type blower, hot or coldside, would come out anywhere near. Maybe he just didn't want to read, as well.

This is when I too, tap out. I mean, why go out of your way to try and help people when the dill-holes (not this guy, others) with stupid pre-concieved opinions and zero fact (except) drown out any technical knowledge or even a kid who is an Eng. student and runs the **** out of his car all over Southern/Mid-Cal?
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Neither was this guy...


How could you understand 1/3 of that and even close to believe that a roots type blower, hot or coldside, would come out anywhere near. Maybe he just didn't want to read, as well.

This is when I too, tap out. I mean, why go out of your way to try and help people when the dill-holes (not this guy, others) with stupid pre-concieved opinions and zero fact (except) drown out any technical knowledge or even a kid who is an Eng. student and runs the **** out of his car all over Southern/Mid-Cal?
Instead he wants to post definitions of "blowoff valve" and "Wastegate."

I still can't figure out why people like that can't understand when you throw down the throttle on a turbo car its going to do the exact same thing everytime. Every time you hit WOT @ ANY rpm, repeating WOT at that same RPM will yield the same results. They make it out to sound like you're shootin' craps at a red light table in someones basement with a .45 up to your head by driving a turbo vehicle.. You just never know when you're gonna crap out and crash or completely end the universe!

Something I've noticed working a lot of auto-x events is there are a lot of people who try and just don't understand the concept of throttle control. Sad to say its a lot of honda owners vehicle has 2 throttle positions, pinned to the floor or off. You try and give some advice to them wanting to help better their times but most don't listen to that either. I was guilty of binary throttle for a long *** time until I asked a seasoned VERY good driver to ride with me and give me tips, one of which was to correct throttle control.

Let him have his glory, he'll never know what hes missing out on.
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I was guilty of binary throttle for a long *** time until I asked a seasoned VERY good driver to ride with me and give me tips, one of which was to correct throttle control.
I was thinking amplitude vs frequency modulated driving lol.
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Instead he wants to post definitions of "blowoff valve" and "Wastegate."

Let him have his glory, he'll never know what hes missing out on.
Seriously, If i go back over there, I'm liable to start yelling at the screen.
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The entire problem is that half them AND half of you guys are totally unwilling to admit that superchargers do things that turbos do not do.

The other half of the problem is that most of the people on each side of the argument have virtually no experience with the other type of FI.
Ok I'll bite... discounting the Rotrex which is basically a belt driven turbo, what does a positive displacement SC do that's desirable?
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Ok I'll bite... discounting the Rotrex which is basically a belt driven turbo, what does a positive displacement SC do that's desirable?
makes an annoying noise... and uhhh... makes more power between idle and 2000 rpm...
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makes an annoying noise... and uhhh... makes more power between idle and 2000 rpm...
3000rpm. between idle and 3000rpm, but not really. Since a belt actually takes up more power than it gives at that range... just sayin.
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3000rpm. between idle and 3000rpm, but not really. Since a belt actually takes up more power than it gives at that range... just sayin.
Yah very true.
Ive tried to bring up the parasitic drag and increased driveline inertia but the S/C folk have have any response...
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that sjmarcey dude is insane. he's the only one that keeps bring up "lag" he dumps in any sort of delay at all to the term; be it turbo or gearing or even hesitating on the line

When I defined the true definition of turbo lag, he stated it was too commercialized for him to accept.

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He is not insane and he has more racing cars experience (including turbos) than 99% of the people here and over there too


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He is not insane and he knows more about driving cars than 99% of the people here and over there too
oh, you think so?
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Yup, takes 2 minutes of reading to figure out who has real racing experience and who is just doing forum racing.
IIRC in that thread Savington, Emilio and sjmarcy were the guys who had posts worth reading. Everything else was mostly worthless noise by the keyboard racers ...




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Dont you guys know?! A PD S/C setup with a FMIC idles great!

I recently saw "the big gulp" in person and holy ******* ****, any turbo setup that I've had or will ever have is 100x less complex. I figure its a beast in itself, something like 6 intercoolers, one mounted right behind the diff lol. What I hate is that "the big gulp" , a mp64 coldside s/c, was developed in 2003/2004 which is before FFS came along

Unfortnately it had a shitty tune and the owner couldn't take it past 1/2 throttle before leaning out completely. Still made 13-15psi at 1/2 throttle and felt like 160rwhp or so based off my butt-dyno. I hope I can help the new owner with a base tune so he's **** doesn't blow up too fast before he can get a professional tune.

I got to page 3 on that thread and figured out I was wasting time lol.
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sjmarcy is a retard.
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Ok I'll bite... discounting the Rotrex which is basically a belt driven turbo, what does a positive displacement SC do that's desirable?

For me personally, it whines

I've had people comment that the car is easier to drive than their turbo'd 5's, but I have no preference over either, so you can't flame me
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Dont you guys know?! A PD S/C setup with a FMIC idles great!

I recently saw "the big gulp" in person and holy ******* ****, any turbo setup that I've had or will ever have is 100x less complex. I figure its a beast in itself, something like 6 intercoolers, one mounted right behind the diff lol. What I hate is that "the big gulp" , a mp64 coldside s/c, was developed in 2003/2004 which is before FFS came along
MP62, not 45, but yeah, it's kinda ouotdated now.

Still i'd quite like to own it, bit of a mission to get it here though
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