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Old 12-17-2009, 06:04 PM   #21
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3 times a week of lifting... 3 times cardio for me. Lately I've been doing just cardio though. I care much less about my bench and how much I can powerclean as I get older.

By the time your older, most likely your muscle mass will wash off anyway

Not if you use HGH
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I have gained mass from other supplements than protein ;-)

But truth be told 60% of gains come from diet/supplementation and nothing beats the real thing...other than whey protein post work-out

EDIT: I will have to disagree about how often you lift, 2 times a week is not enough to make significant gains at all, however, your body does need time to rest you can do a split something like this: Monday: Chest/Tri Tuesday: Legs Wednesday: OFF Thursday: Shoulders/Bi Friday: OFF Saturday: Back Sunday: Lagging body part
You cannot prove that supplements did a god damned thing. I wish you could, so I could load up on them...but considering I'm already wrecking bars just on curls, its probably best that I don't. I had to make an e-z curl bar a few days ago and all the had were straight bars...seriously, bro.

I agree that twice a week is too infrequent and I don't think you can crush each muscle group with 2-days of full-body unless you're spending 3-hours in the gym. I hit chest, back, shoulder, arm, legs on alternating days...and I lift harder than anyone you've ever seen live in your life. I put Jay Cutler on the podium bro, seriously.
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LOL

You are correct I cannot prove supplements did **** for me...but the weight I gained in such a short period couldn't have been physically possible w.o them mang.
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anyone know how to GAIN weight
like suplement wise
im 5'9" 135lbs
yes very skinny, however i can eat like Rosie O'Donell and not gain a pound
beer doesnt help, milk and protein before bed doesnt either
How old are you? Enjoy it while it lasts. I was like that up until about a year ago when I turned 23, then my high metabolism kicked me in the nuts and walked out on me. All throughout high school I was about 135-140lbs and about 5' 10'', by 21 I was hovering steadily around 160lbs at 6' but about a year ago I ballooned to nearly 200lbs, mostly from not doing manual labor like I used to, and the extra time to sit around on my *** and snack. With a "diet" of watching what I eat and a little exercise I have gotten back down to about 180-185 and hold steady. A lot of my weight is muscle mass since I have a pretty small frame, but I have about 15lbs in my gut that I need to burn off. Looks odd having muscle and being small, but with a beer gut. My face also shows it a bit, since I used to have a skinny face, now in pictures I can tell I have gained some weight. Little Debbie and beer call my name though, it's hard for me to stop eating, since it is my #1 favorite hobby. Love to cook and eat.

Supplements have never done anything for me. Maybe Muscle Milk helped a little, but not enough that I could really track its effect. I think the best thing for weight loss and muscle building is a good old fashioned diet (stop eating so much junk food!) and some weight lifting mixed with some cardio.
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Did you know that super-magical creatine is in such exotic protein sources as beef, chicken, fish, and pork?
Yes, but not in the high doses taken as a supplement.
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Creatine makes me **** everywhere
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Doesn't creatine only have temporary effects? Higher water content in the muscle or something like that?
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Yes, but not in the high doses taken as a supplement.
How much creatine are you taking, and how much can your muscle tissue hold?
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:18 PM   #29
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Doesn't creatine only have temporary effects? Higher water content in the muscle or something like that?
bingo. It makes you hold water and a sick pump, bro.
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I love the gym. Been working out consistently for 6 years now. The first 3 or so years my goal was to just stay fit, not get ripped. A couple years ago I began to get pretty serious about it.

Currently I am 175lbs @ 5'11, that sounds skinny, but I'm freakishly strong. A lot of people are forgetting a big portion of lifting, which is genes, some people just have it easier than others. Depending on genes, and what you want out of your lifting, routines very quite a bit. I can't gain weight for ****. I seem to go up in lifting weight, yet my body weight progresses very slowly, and will drop drastically if I stop lifting.

I found that for skinny people (most already mentioned) protein is amazing. I also eat a ton of meals per day since I don't seem to ever have a big appetite. I have seen conflicting things about 5+ meals a day, but for me it works, and I do what works. Supplements (minus protein) are mostly bogus, unless they are illegal, in which case they probably work, but will kill your body in the long run. I fell into the N.O. craze and now I'm kind of addicted. I really don't think it helps gain anything at all, but after drinking some of it I feel like if I don't lift something soon I'm gonna kill somebody. It for sure helps with motivation.

Also I don't prefer to work out with someone, but I usually go with someone so they can spot me on the applicable exercises. Sure you can ask someone, but sometimes people ask me at the worst times and I hate it. Like hustler said, if you lift the same thing each day wtf is the point. Use a spotter and do a bit more than usual. You can't increase weight every time (maybe hustler can ), but you should try and make some progress.

Another huge thing is surprising your body. You can get a routine going, but once you start to progress slowly, and aren't seeing much gain, switch it up. By that I mean try new exercises, do the exercises in a different order, go at a different time (if you can). If you rotate muscle groups you can change up the rotation so you aren't always working out chest the day after arms etc... Just try and keep your body guessing.

This is just stuff I have noticed working for me. Everyone is different, although there are a few universal things.

PS creatine is horse **** might help you look big though.. Oh by the way, that weight you gained, it's called water, not muscle.
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:35 PM   #31
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How much creatine are you taking, and how much can your muscle tissue hold?
I was taking the recommended dose at the time. Like I said, it seemed to work the first time, and stopped working. So you can say I was kind of agreeing with you. I would recommend it to a beginner who needs that little motivation to keep him going.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:41 PM   #32
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I don't lift now and I am a fat ***. All I wanted to say was that I listened to Dr. Dean on the radio last week and he said too much protein causes cancer. Some weight lifting guy called and asked about suppliments. He said they didn't do anything unless you were extremely serious about it and could actually be dangerous. Be careful and don't buy the snake oil...
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:57 PM   #33
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Everything causes cancer. Living causes cancer.

Too much of anything is bad...
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95% of this whole thread is ****.

I was 147 lbs. 13% BF when I was 17 years old
when I was 21 yrs old I was 221 lbs 5.3% BF

I know my **** and I will help you out even tho you laught at my pictures and called me a *** but I knew deep down inside you were jealous. But I'll forgive you lol

#1 diet and timing is 80% of your workout (keep this in mind)

if you want to bulk you need to eat and alot, when I say eat I don't mean bullshit food.
There's two basic types of food protein and carbs. Duh

there's times where you need simple carbs and times when you need complex carbs same with protein there's slow and fast digesting protein.

I'll give you a quick bulking diet and a cutting diet.

Bulking
7am- 8 egg whites 2 whole eggs
1 cup of plain oatmeal

9:30am- 2 scoops whey protein shake (sugar free, no awesome tasting shake)
20 almonds

12pm- 8oz of chicken
2 cups of broccoli
1/2 sweet potatoe

3pm- tuna can
1/2 avocado
2 slices of wheat bread

5pm- 1 scoop whey protein shake(30 min before gym)
1 Banana

5:30pm- gym

7pm- 2 scoop whey protein shake (right after workout)

7:30pm- 8oz steak or salmon
2 cups of broccoli

10:30pm- 2 scoops casin protein

for the cuttin diet you will eat the same but take out egg yolks, sweet potatoe, cut down to one cup of broccoli, take out wheat bread.

As for your work out you will need

day 1: chest, back of legsand abs
day2: back and traps
day3: off
day4: bis, tris and abs
day5: front of legs, glutes
day6:shoulders, calfs and abs
day7ff

you want 4-5 exercises per muscle and 3 reps per exercise

if your bulking reps are as fallowed 10-8-6
if your cutting reps are 15-8-12

now you could read this and try and fail or you could read it and bust your *** of and look amazing. If you need more details I will gladly help you

don't forget you will never enjoy food ever again you will look as food as a workout
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:21 PM   #35
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don't forget you will never enjoy food ever again you will look as food as a workout
I knew you would end up in this thread .....Hardest part in my eyes....my fat *** loves food!

On a serious note, I would'nt mind some more pointers from you on how to properly drop some weight (General nutrition / snack & meal options / etc)From the sounds of it, you had always been skinny and bulked up. In my case I'm a big dude....quite strong but a fatass none the less. I've dieted / exersized off and on my whole life only to always end up back where I started or worse. I really need to find a balance between making the right food choices / portions, something I can live with forever....Any advice would be appreciated
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^^^ water is your friend, sodas and juice are not(including diet coke)
the main thing to loosing weight is lowering your carbs, just in case you don't know what carbs are: anything that is not meat( steak, chicken, fish, eggs, etc)

I will make it easy for you,
1- if your going to eat carbs make it a vegetable( not mashed potatoes, fries, etc)
2- try to fill up more on proteins intead of carbs at dinner
3- drop your sweet tooth, want something sweet eat some fruit.
4- protein doesn't mean go eat bacon! I'm talking about grilled meats
5- dieting does not mean starving
6- take the dog for a walk, walk to the store, don't drive everywhere and sit on your *** all day
7- try to eat 6-7 smaller meals per day.
8- at least a gallon of water per day

fallowing little steps are simple and will help you alot, you won't get ripped but you will drop some weight
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Hard time believing your clams on your weight and bf IMO, I guess you'd be bigger than a lot of IFBB pros, including David Henry...I'd like to see pictures, and your AAS cycle
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95% of this whole thread is ****.

I was 147 lbs. 13% BF when I was 17 years old
when I was 21 yrs old I was 221 lbs 5.3% BF

I know my **** and I will help you out even tho you laught at my pictures and called me a *** but I knew deep down inside you were jealous. But I'll forgive you lol

#1 diet and timing is 80% of your workout (keep this in mind)

if you want to bulk you need to eat and alot, when I say eat I don't mean bullshit food.
There's two basic types of food protein and carbs. Duh

there's times where you need simple carbs and times when you need complex carbs same with protein there's slow and fast digesting protein.

I'll give you a quick bulking diet and a cutting diet.

Bulking
7am- 8 egg whites 2 whole eggs
1 cup of plain oatmeal

9:30am- 2 scoops whey protein shake (sugar free, no awesome tasting shake)
20 almonds

12pm- 8oz of chicken
2 cups of broccoli
1/2 sweet potatoe

3pm- tuna can
1/2 avocado
2 slices of wheat bread

5pm- 1 scoop whey protein shake(30 min before gym)
1 Banana

5:30pm- gym

7pm- 2 scoop whey protein shake (right after workout)

7:30pm- 8oz steak or salmon
2 cups of broccoli

10:30pm- 2 scoops casin protein

for the cuttin diet you will eat the same but take out egg yolks, sweet potatoe, cut down to one cup of broccoli, take out wheat bread.

As for your work out you will need

day 1: chest, back of legsand abs
day2: back and traps
day3: off
day4: bis, tris and abs
day5: front of legs, glutes
day6:shoulders, calfs and abs
day7ff

you want 4-5 exercises per muscle and 3 reps per exercise

if your bulking reps are as fallowed 10-8-6
if your cutting reps are 15-8-12

now you could read this and try and fail or you could read it and bust your *** of and look amazing. If you need more details I will gladly help you

don't forget you will never enjoy food ever again you will look as food as a workout


I'm glad you don't take the internet serious and aren't butt hurt. lol

My biggest concern is the amount of food you eat. I'm only 5'8" 190 lbs. I think Id feel sick eating all that in one day. I have no problem gaining weight. Just a few months ago I was 208 lbs. That's when I decided that I need to get back on the ball. I want to both bulk and rip (if that's possible) at the same time. I think a lean 190-200 would be perfect for me. I really appreciate your help.
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Hard time believing your clams on your weight and bf IMO, I guess you'd be bigger than a lot of IFBB pros, including David Henry...I'd like to see pictures, and your AAS cycle
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Not close to the claims he makes...that's more like 9% BF



That's 202 pounds at roughly 4% BF

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