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Definitely talk to a personal injury attorney or two, preferably one that is a friend (or friend of a friend). Consultations are almost always free and they will be able to give you better guidance on your options.
I also think, "Let me consult with my attorney and then set up a time to call you back" would have been a useful response to the other insurance company's request for a statement.
I also think, "Let me consult with my attorney and then set up a time to call you back" would have been a useful response to the other insurance company's request for a statement.
#23
"that's heresy, and inadmissible in court."
IANAL, but i fail to see how that would be hearsay, as you were there when the ticket was issued. beyond that, you could just call the cop and have him testify that he wrote the ticket. Also, the ticket itself is on record. Granted, the guy you were talking to was probably just making it up and was hoping to intimidate you with some legal jargon.
sorry for the sidebar, but I find the finer points of legal proceedings to be a fascinating subject.
When my brother in law was hit by a driver who pulled out into traffic, the driver's insurance company tried to reduce their payout by claiming he was speeding, and that the fault was partially his. So I think that making bullshit up to reduce payouts is a standard tactic for some insurance agencies.
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As much as I can't stand lawyers and litigation, there are times to use them. I agree that if they are trying to pin it on you, and you have any injury, call a personal injury attorney and have them take it on contingency. That will get the other side off your back and you will get a better settlement than you ever would have otherwise. Once you have a litigator involved, you won't have to do much more as they will handle all calls... from that point on. Just remember to negotiate their fee into the final settlement amount.
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Damn that separation of church and state!
IANAL, but i fail to see how that would be hearsay, as you were there when the ticket was issued. beyond that, you could just call the cop and have him testify that he wrote the ticket. Also, the ticket itself is on record. Granted, the guy you were talking to was probably just making it up and was hoping to intimidate you with some legal jargon.
sorry for the sidebar, but I find the finer points of legal proceedings to be a fascinating subject.
When my brother in law was hit by a driver who pulled out into traffic, the driver's insurance company tried to reduce their payout by claiming he was speeding, and that the fault was partially his. So I think that making bullshit up to reduce payouts is a standard tactic for some insurance agencies.
IANAL, but i fail to see how that would be hearsay, as you were there when the ticket was issued. beyond that, you could just call the cop and have him testify that he wrote the ticket. Also, the ticket itself is on record. Granted, the guy you were talking to was probably just making it up and was hoping to intimidate you with some legal jargon.
sorry for the sidebar, but I find the finer points of legal proceedings to be a fascinating subject.
When my brother in law was hit by a driver who pulled out into traffic, the driver's insurance company tried to reduce their payout by claiming he was speeding, and that the fault was partially his. So I think that making bullshit up to reduce payouts is a standard tactic for some insurance agencies.
ALWAYS get a police report. Always. Even for dumb ****. Otherwise every fact in the case is just your word against theirs.
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If you have to be "nice" to the other party when insisting on filing a police report, just tell them that you're sorry, but you trusted someone in the past and were burned and just can't take another chance. Tell them it's "nothing personal" and get a cop out to file a report.
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No doubt. I'm sure the OP knows this now. And, anyone else reading this thread should now understand the importance of this (if they did not already).
If you have to be "nice" to the other party when insisting on filing a police report, just tell them that you're sorry, but you trusted someone in the past and were burned and just can't take another chance. Tell them it's "nothing personal" and get a cop out to file a report.
If you have to be "nice" to the other party when insisting on filing a police report, just tell them that you're sorry, but you trusted someone in the past and were burned and just can't take another chance. Tell them it's "nothing personal" and get a cop out to file a report.
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Fun fact - I dunno how it is in your states, but here in CA the police won't even come out for small accidents/etc. Like literally, they refuse.
I know this because I myself called before and they were like " was the accident major? no? did you exchange insurance info? you did? then you should be set, thanks".
A buddy of mine had a guy hit him in a bad part of town, calls the cops they say they can't send anyone out. It got to the point of screaming at them at the top of his lungs saying that the other guy is un-insured, and about to run away with a hit-and-run for them to even consider sending a unit.
Despite this retardation though, I completely agree about the police report thing.
I know this because I myself called before and they were like " was the accident major? no? did you exchange insurance info? you did? then you should be set, thanks".
A buddy of mine had a guy hit him in a bad part of town, calls the cops they say they can't send anyone out. It got to the point of screaming at them at the top of his lungs saying that the other guy is un-insured, and about to run away with a hit-and-run for them to even consider sending a unit.
Despite this retardation though, I completely agree about the police report thing.
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here's how it works in VA:
insurance tells you to call cops.
cops tell you they don't work for insurance and won't write a report for anything under $2,500 in damages.
the only thing you can do is try to get the person to admit to fault on camera or in writing while stopped. or hope they hit you in the rear.
otherwise it's your word against theirs.
my story: i had a guy hit me and try to bribe me into not calling insurance and the police. he was literally waving $200 in my face. when the cop finally showed up, he was like: uh, i cant write up a report for this, see ya.
luckily he struck me from behind at a redlight and in VA it's always that person's fault for not controlling their car; even if I had slammed on my brakes. (his foot slipped off brake at a stoplight.)
2 cents: you can always take them to civil court.
insurance tells you to call cops.
cops tell you they don't work for insurance and won't write a report for anything under $2,500 in damages.
the only thing you can do is try to get the person to admit to fault on camera or in writing while stopped. or hope they hit you in the rear.
otherwise it's your word against theirs.
my story: i had a guy hit me and try to bribe me into not calling insurance and the police. he was literally waving $200 in my face. when the cop finally showed up, he was like: uh, i cant write up a report for this, see ya.
luckily he struck me from behind at a redlight and in VA it's always that person's fault for not controlling their car; even if I had slammed on my brakes. (his foot slipped off brake at a stoplight.)
2 cents: you can always take them to civil court.
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I agree though, always get a police report. I think a corollary to this is always go to the hospital if you get hurt.
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Let's please use the correct term. "Hearsay." As in "witness is only saying what they heard, therefore unreliable."
How hurt are you? If you are hurt enough, an ambulance chaser will be all over your case. If not, they won't waste their time . . . which is also a clue that you shouldn't waste your time either. I truly hope you are not hurt enough that a lawyer will be interested.
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Ditto in TX.
Let's please use the correct term. "Hearsay." As in "witness is only saying what they heard, therefore unreliable."
How hurt are you? If you are hurt enough, an ambulance chaser will be all over your case. If not, they won't waste their time . . . which is also a clue that you shouldn't waste your time either. I truly hope you are not hurt enough that a lawyer will be interested.
Let's please use the correct term. "Hearsay." As in "witness is only saying what they heard, therefore unreliable."
How hurt are you? If you are hurt enough, an ambulance chaser will be all over your case. If not, they won't waste their time . . . which is also a clue that you shouldn't waste your time either. I truly hope you are not hurt enough that a lawyer will be interested.
If they would have gave real, legit info, I would have just walked away and fixed crap myself 'cause it wasn't worth my time.
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Blaen - Have you seen a doctor?
I have permanent, chronic back pain that I think was ultimately attributable to a bad car crash when I was younger. It may be worth talking to a doctor and an attorney just to have it on file in case symptoms develop or worsen a week or a month later.
Granted, if it was a relatively minor fender bender and the likelihood of major injury is negligible, that's a different story. My accident was major and ended up bending the frame on a big 1990s American sedan.
I have permanent, chronic back pain that I think was ultimately attributable to a bad car crash when I was younger. It may be worth talking to a doctor and an attorney just to have it on file in case symptoms develop or worsen a week or a month later.
Granted, if it was a relatively minor fender bender and the likelihood of major injury is negligible, that's a different story. My accident was major and ended up bending the frame on a big 1990s American sedan.
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Yeah, I went in to see one as soon as I could.
My worry was that I may have re-injured an old injury in the accident. Or it could just be the stress from the accident making it flare up even. Or it could be from the accident. I still don't know, the doctor just sent me in for physical therapy without talking much about it.
Oh crap, I'm sorry to hear that man. What I was in was absolutely minor.
My worry was that I may have re-injured an old injury in the accident. Or it could just be the stress from the accident making it flare up even. Or it could be from the accident. I still don't know, the doctor just sent me in for physical therapy without talking much about it.
I have permanent, chronic back pain that I think was ultimately attributable to a bad car crash when I was younger. It may be worth talking to a doctor and an attorney just to have it on file in case symptoms develop or worsen a week or a month later.
Granted, if it was a relatively minor fender bender and the likelihood of major injury is negligible, that's a different story. My accident was major and ended up bending the frame on a big 1990s American sedan.
Granted, if it was a relatively minor fender bender and the likelihood of major injury is negligible, that's a different story. My accident was major and ended up bending the frame on a big 1990s American sedan.
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Also, I should add, at the scene of any accident (even the most minor no-apparent damage bump) take a bunch of pictures right then and there. With smartphones everywhere there's no excuse, and pictures can clear up any he said/she said bullshit, protecting you from the other side claiming damage or injury that may not have happened, or them lying about the circumstances. Get them in the pictures as much as you can, establishing that they were there, involved and trotting around immediately after. There's a whole industry of parasite "Personal Injury" lawyers and plaintiffs out there, protect yourself.
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