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Old 12-02-2009, 03:30 AM   #1
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This has got to be the BIGGEST science scandal in history, but the Mainstream media is mum.

A whistleblower hacked and released thousands of emails between the biggest names in global warming, discussing HOW to hide the recent cooling, HOW to massage the data to show the infamous hockey stick, etc.

Incredible!

Climategate: “Men behaving badly” – a short summary for laymen Watts Up With That?

And now Fox news has an article showing the use of Environmental religion as a means of ceding power from the national governments to the supranational government (UN):

Document Reveals U.N.'s Goal of Becoming Rule-Maker in Global Environmental Talks - United Nations - FOXNews.com

Pinch your nose that it’s on Fox, but browse the supporting PDFs

The actual UN plan is here
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...epstrategy.pdf
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...IISDreport.pdf
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One of my favorite bloggers has been into this for a couple weeks now.finem respice | reflections on consequences (intended and otherwise)
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Old 12-02-2009, 09:56 AM   #3
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I found this all very interesting. The media's been giving it some coverage, I was watching last night after having read some articles about it during the day.

Some congressmen, as I saw last night, are now treating climate change as an open-and-shut case, figuring that this new revelation is proof that it's 100% scam. We're still losing a lot of ice at the poles, if this is all a scam then...
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You needed these emails to tell you global warming is a farce and a way for Al Gore to make some major bank?

However, I'm pretty sure there has been global warming, oh sorry "climate change", since the last Last Glacial Maximum some 20,000 ago. Touche.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:07 AM   #5
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We're still losing a lot of ice at the poles, if this is all a scam then...
Its a natural cycle.... I do however agree that we all as a worldwide collection of people need to continue to innovate energy efficiency in everything.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:35 AM   #6
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Oh ****, well back to puking coal-plant pollution back into the atmosphere.
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Oh ****, well back to puking coal-plant pollution back into the atmosphere.
Unfortunately, we never stopped.


<--In for nuclear plants as quick as we can build them, but the envirowacks won't let us.
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Old 12-02-2009, 11:17 AM   #8
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I read a great article on nuclear reactors in SCIENCE within the last year. There is some really high efficiency and uber safe stuff that is cutting edge. Hopefully the stigma will let go so they start building them.
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+1. Ditto on the newer cleaner coal tech too.

The problem with this deception is not just that the scientists started fabricating lies to get on the gravy train (Phil Jones got something like $10M in grants in 7 years), but the consequences were very far reaching, steering billions in tax money and increasing world energy costs by the trillions for everyone.

The argument that Big Business is sowing anti global warming propanda doesn't hold water.

For every corporation that will lose money due to CO2 taxation and reduced fossil fuel usage, there is another that will make even more money from CO2 taxation and increased usage of non-CO2 emitting sources of energy.

The simple fact is, reducing CO2 emissions will INCREASE the total expenditure on energy. Thus, there is MORE money to be made by shifting energy sources to non-CO2 emitting sources, by simple virtue of the fact that the money stream gets bigger.

The Goldman Sachs / Cap and Trade faction will make MORE than the Oil industry will lose. Besides, the Oil industry has probably already invested in renewable energy, such as windmill and solar technology... which would probably make more money for them than oil.
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<--In for nuclear plants as quick as we can build them, but the envirowacks won't let us.
+1

Why are there stupid people in the world? To give others hope.

I for one would like to see more nuclear power being generated in the US. Illinois is kicking all your butts so far.
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General Electric has more to gain than most when it comes to "green" tech things to sell and they just happen to own one of the biggest green cheerleaders around - NBC Television/MSNBC/Universal Pictures.

Short article about it-
HuffPo Decries General Electric's Control of NBC, MSNBC ...But Only On Some Topics | NewsBusters.org

If you need another reason to hate them, they are the same bastards that unleashed the Fast and Furious trilogy on the world.
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it's awesome when you can get in bed with the gov't
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I will continue to support nuclear energy if we can agree that Bush is gone and that we may once again pronounce "nuclear" correctly. "Nukuler" and "Nookalier" are over.
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jersey has a bunch of Nuclear powerplants too, only problem is 1 of the is really old and literaly starting to fall apart, but the GOV won't give the money to fix it
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too busy spending it on <insert BS here>
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it's awesome when you can get in bed with the gov't
The root of the problem is allowing gov't the power to write economic interventionist laws labelled "regulations". This means that the laws will be written as per the highest bidder. If instead the free market were left alone, all these big corporations would actually have to compete on a level playing field, selling products that consumers want to buy, just like all the little guys.

re: fixing old power plants - gov't shouldn't pay for it (that would mean the taxpayer pays for it) - the owners should pay for fixing it, and the investment should have to compete with other investments. The problem is the uber expensive gov't regulations on nuclear power.
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The root of the problem is...gov't

agreed
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I for one would like to see more nuclear power being generated in the US. Illinois is kicking all your butts so far.
Yeah my in-laws live in Coal City, within the red fallout zone (fast death) of one nuke plant and in the orange zones (slower death) of two others. One of their neighbors works for Excelon doing basically Homer Simpson's job. They have reasonably low property tax rates and still have really nice public schools because there's so much tax revenue form the nuke companies.

I don't often praise France but we could really take a page from them on power generation. They have nuclear plants out the *** and EDF is recognized as a world leader in nuclear power technology. Our older nuclear plants probably aren't worth fixing, certainly as a taxpayer I wouldn't want the govt paying for that. Just allow the energy companies to pay the Frogs to come in and build some of their modern reactors that are more efficient and safer than what we've already got. We would have all that capability ourselves, if not for that little incident at Three Mile Island putting the fear of nuclear meltdown into every American household. But as it is, we haven't approved a new nuclear plant in decades. Power reactors have long service lifetimes but they are not infinite, and we need to get started building new ones before our **** gets much older and more decrepit than it already is.
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3 Mile Island proved that the engineers designed the fail-safe systems right. No disaster despite the operators' best efforts! The media made it out to be a failure.
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Ive been following this as well. Just a little more truth seeping out from the cracks is all. Cant hold it back forever.
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