Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1438930)

Installed the new ID hotness onto the sti along with tgv deletes and inlet. Also aem cai.

Go to install the "final piece of the puzzle" fuel pump (for now, until the blouch goes in) and the DW65c is DOA.

So now my car and garage smell like fuel, and the pump carrier is taken apart, and I don't want to re-install the oem pump cause that's a bunch of work for no reason, and waiting for replacement pump.

And everything was going so well too..............................

Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1439131)

Boring talk.

I now have a strange desire to build an Exocet with an E85 powered K24 swap underneath the hood. 250whp in a 1500lb car with BIG WANG and sticky tires sounds like a riot.

Originally Posted by TheBandit (Post 1439179)

That doesn't sound like the worst plan I've heard this week.:dunno:

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1439181)

I have a strange desire for every cool car ever all the time

:)

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1439195)

That's cause they aint sellin too hot, or at least that's what I hear

Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1441451)

Monday, we will be picking up our 2018 Outback Premium with Eyesight, power lift gate, and dimming exterior mirrors. 2.5 flat 4. Silver with black cloth.
That ticked the boxes that were important to Heidi and me, and final price below $30K.

Second new car we ever purchased. Hope we like is as well as we think we will.

Will check for factory cloth treatment with water. Either immediately, or when otherwise needed, we plan to treat with 303 Fabric Guard.

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1441454)

Have you already driven it?

Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1441461)

Yes I have. I'm not sure why you ask. We drove a 6 and a 4. I also calculated #/HP of that car, my Expedition, and my 4 cylinder Camry.. W/P ratio is same as the Camry that has served us well for 10 years.

They seem to have improved the control on the throttle and CVT from older versions. Take-off is smooth and well controlled, not jumpy.

Floor it and the CVT does what it should, but delivers torque from the offset, before the engine gets up to high RPM. Thus, not so much sling-shot or rubber-banding that I have heard about. Or maybe I just expect a CVT to act like a CVT?

The 6 was a bit smoother / quieter on the highway.

I went in thinking we'd get the Touring at just under $40K, with the 6. The extras were not worth 33% more $ to us. I still think the Limited is no man's land, but I may be just strange, because that is their big seller.

Anyway, what prompted your question?

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1441474)

We own a 2016 Legacy. I absolutely hate throttle mapping, numb response, and basically everything about the engine/power output.

But all that pales in comparison to how much I hate the CVT mapping/programming.

I really really really hope they changed/improved it for 2018, because I cannot imagine having a more terribly programmed transmission.

It "shifts" like a normal auto, which really isn't a shift, but a stupid sudden drop in rpm that's spaced WAY far apart, and a power cut to make it seem like it "shifted". What results is a car that is jerky on shifts, for no reason whatsoever. A cvt is a cvt. It can try to be a "normal auto" but it's not, and that's not a bad thing. A cvt is supposed to be seamless, or at least smooth enough that it doesn't disrupt the way the car drives.

Then there's the huge delay in power delivery if you're in a really low throttle situation and suddenly floor it. You know, like in an emergency situation. It will do nothing for a long time, then finally "downshift" and throw the throttle body wide open resulting in a power surge. Except when you're not going WOT, but say go from 5% throttle to about 30% throttle, it does the same thing. There is absolutely zero correlation between your right foot and the power output. it does what it wants when it wants and only takes the drivers inputs as a suggestion that it seldom takes.

I could go on and on, but the bottom line is: their tuning/mapping is horrendous. I'm sure they'll fix it over the years, and it's highly likely that they already did for 2018, but I'll be selling our legacy because I can't stand driving it for this very reason alone.

Just my .02
(you might want to take it on a lonnnnnng test drive and make absolutely sure it won't bother you).

Our 2014 mazda 6 is a 500% better at all of the above.