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buffon01 08-14-2010 10:43 PM

This just in hoes my hoe turned on :D

viperormiata 08-14-2010 11:57 PM

Going to Miami tomorrow to help make sure the Cuban's raft doesn't sink. Hope those queers don't try and cop a feel on my nuts:giggle:

WonTon 08-15-2010 12:03 AM

fuck deer!

i almost fucked one up real good on my way home, i missed it and it ran into the side of teh truck! :giggle:

buffon01 08-15-2010 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by viperormiata (Post 616832)
Going to Miami tomorrow to help make sure the Cuban's raft doesn't sink. Hope those queers don't try and cop a feel on my nuts:giggle:

Don't worry baby, you'd like it.

fooger03 08-15-2010 05:29 PM

i just fixed/drank a long island iced tea on an empty stomach...and hol-ee-shit

fooger03 08-15-2010 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by levnubhin (Post 616506)
Any runners here? What's your best timed mile?

13:02 - 2 miles.

FRT_Fun 08-15-2010 05:36 PM

12:05 - 2mile... but right now probably ~13:00 2 mile.

KPLAFIN 08-15-2010 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 616937)
12:05 - 2mile... but right now probably ~13:00 2 mile.

Stay away from Germany. I running 12:45 - 13:10-ish on my PT tests, been here 10 months and ran a freakin 16:15 a couple weeks back, my worst time EVER.

shuiend 08-15-2010 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by KPLAFIN (Post 616939)
Stay away from Germany. I running 12:45 - 13:10-ish on my PT tests, been here 10 months and ran a freakin 16:15 a couple weeks back, my worst time EVER.

Hows the computer working out over in Germany?

KPLAFIN 08-15-2010 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 616955)
Hows the computer working out over in Germany?

Freakin sweet, thanks again for all your help with it, meant to write you a while back but being at home pretty much made me forget about everything else.

redfred18t 08-15-2010 09:48 PM

so I'm in orlando for work this week (training at the hotel). not having a rental car is going to drive me nuts

where are some places to go during the week?

rider384 08-16-2010 01:06 AM

I passed a Ferrari 275 today. What a beautiful car.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...275_1967_4.JPG
Looked exactly like this, no joke.

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 07:13 AM

I hate heater hoses. Shit sprung a leak when I was like 40 miles away from my house. Luckily, I happened to have a spare set at home...so I was up until 1am replacing them and flushing my coolant. I did finally manage to bend the damn hard pipe next to the mnaifold to a point where the hose didn't interfere with that stupid FM heatshield (that thing is the bane of my existance whenever it needs to come out).

fooger03 08-16-2010 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617081)
I did finally manage to bend the damn hard pipe next to the mnaifold to a point where the hose didn't interfere with that stupid FM heatshield (that thing is the bane of my existance whenever it needs to come out).

^^This

On some advice, I bent the end of the hard pipe so that it shoots out behind the dipstick tube.

Damn heat shield always gets in the way o errehthing

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 09:31 AM

Between bending the hard pipe and using a 94-97 hose with the ends cut down, the damn heat shield popped right back in without catching on the heater hose.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617105)
Between bending the hard pipe and using a 94-97 hose with the ends cut down, the damn heat shield popped right back in without catching on the heater hose.

This is probably the most useless post ever, but why do you even have a heat shield? Then again, I don't have a heater core in my car anymore and it's RHD, so the BMC is safe from radiant heat. Is there another reason for it, or is that essentially the reason for one?

fooger03 08-16-2010 10:25 AM

Primary reason is to protect the BMC/CMC from heat which can rapidly deteriorate brake fluid and melt reservoirs and other plastics. Secondary reason is to generally lower underhood temps a marginal amount. Tertiary reason is that it's a great place to set nuts/bolts/tools when working on other parts of the car after all the available real estate on the valve cover has been taken.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 617122)
Tertiary reason is that it's a great place to set nuts/bolts/tools when working on other parts of the car after all the available real estate on the valve cover has been taken.

Ah, this makes the most sense. You're also the first person I've witnessed to use tertiary in proper context. As for under-hood temps, why don't people buy vented hoods? Or increase the airflow entering the engine bay?

sixshooter 08-16-2010 10:42 AM

You would have never heard this without me posting it. A slice of Americana.
It's worth a two minute listen.
It puts in perspective just what is used to be considered doing pretty well. And it shows a little better just what we've got.



I got a barrel of flour
Lawd, I got a bucket of lard
I ain't got no blues
Got chickens in my back yard.

I've got this playing right after NIN in my rotation this morning.

Does anyone else know what a corn crib is?

Unfortunately, this live version leaves out a few verses including the one about having the ability to make money because he's got a one eyed mule and a Jersey cow.

fooger03 08-16-2010 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by E-NA6CE (Post 617130)
Ah, this makes the most sense. You're also the first person I've witnessed to use tertiary in proper context. As for under-hood temps, why don't people buy vented hoods? Or increase the airflow entering the engine bay?

I want a vented hood, but primary purpose would be to increase airflow across the heat exchangers. Unfortunatly, a decent vented hood costs a lot more than a piece of bent aluminum. It also reduces the relaxed/sleeper/oem look that so many of us have going on. As far as increasing airflow entering the engine bay, almost every method which increases airflow into the engine bay also increases pressure in the engine bay relative to ambient. This in-turn, decreases airflow through the heat-exchangers which often results in higher engine temps. It's kind of a shitty situation, if we decrease the temperature of the engine bay, we increase the temperature of the engine. I think the vast majority of members on this site agree that a 10 degree drop in bay temps isn't worth the 10 degree increase in coolant temps. A properly vented hood seems to be the only cure to both problems.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 11:04 AM

Word. +1 for vented hood. I had an overheating issue I could not resolve for the life of me, so I opted to run water + water wetter and no thermostat. Who says you need heat? Bah ha ha ha. I'm also building a new engine right now...

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by E-NA6CE (Post 617115)
This is probably the most useless post ever, but why do you even have a heat shield? Then again, I don't have a heater core in my car anymore and it's RHD, so the BMC is safe from radiant heat. Is there another reason for it, or is that essentially the reason for one?


You just nulled and voided your own comment with the admission of not having a car with the same firewall. Heat protection is heat protection. I have the BMC and CMC wrapped with reflective shielding, brake lines wrapped and have the heater hoses wrapped along with the heat shield. There are some places that redundant precautions are easy and worth it. I also chose to wrap the heater lines because there is a gap behind/under the back of the heat shield that leaves the heater lines exposed to the downpipe...as well as to keep heat in the heater core lines to reduces underhood temps even if just a little.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617141)
You just nulled and voided your own comment with the admission of not having a car with the same firewall. Heat protection is heat protection.

I did. Although, people do weird things, so I just asked. My car isn't the same as yours so I was just curious. Geeze. Haterade is good and all, but damn.. two sips per day at the most!

By weird things here is an example: My friend wanted a fast car, so he bought a brand new V6 Camaro. Gay.

Bond 08-16-2010 11:37 AM

How the fuck do you Canadians afford to live up there...so expensive

$4 petrol
$4 McChickens
$5 milk
$35 for a 24 pack of Molson

Daaas make sense

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by E-NA6CE (Post 617147)
I did. Although, people do weird things, so I just asked. My car isn't the same as yours so I was just curious. Geeze. Haterade is good and all, but damn.. two sips per day at the most!

By weird things here is an example: My friend wanted a fast car, so he bought a brand new V6 Camaro. Gay.

At which point was I "hating"? Quit with the bandwagon ******ry words.
Meerly pointing out the obvious was in no way passing judgement neither positive nor negative.

Speaking of vented hood. Yeah, I really like the design of that Scoot hood that recently popped up, or would LOVE a NOPRO hood, but that shit is expensive. Though I'm sure the benefit of sich a hood would go nicely with the GV bumper. The other route is to go with a Ford Taurus fan...4700cfm FTW. But I've never had a heating problem when DD'ing and only a couple of times have I seen temps creep on the track.

With that said.... V6 Mustang>V6 Camaro. I'd rock a V6 'Stang for a daily if I were in such the postition.

Bond 08-16-2010 12:51 PM


E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617154)
At which point was I "hating"? Quit with the bandwagon ******ry words.
Meerly pointing out the obvious was in no way passing judgement neither positive nor negative.

Speaking of vented hood. Yeah, I really like the design of that Scoot hood that recently popped up, or would LOVE a NOPRO hood, but that shit is expensive. Though I'm sure the benefit of sich a hood would go nicely with the GV bumper. The other route is to go with a Ford Taurus fan...4700cfm FTW. But I've never had a heating problem when DD'ing and only a couple of times have I seen temps creep on the track.

With that said.... V6 Mustang>V6 Camaro. I'd rock a V6 'Stang for a daily if I were in such the postition.

I skimmed. My bad. Have you looked into getting a custom hood made? You can get raw graphite (or carbon fiber, whichever you prefer) from any aerospace companies that have sat beyond their expiration date. It's more than good enough for any automotive application and it's all pre-preg, so you model, form, bake and clear coat. You can make whatever you need for a handful of money. I suppose the hardest thing is getting someone with access to it. I know with Boeing they don't regulate their expired time-sensitive materials (since it's already been deemed a business write-off). They essentially just dump it and it goes into alternative manufacturing at whichever company bids highest for their junk graphite.

The only time I've seen temps rise in my car was when I still had a thermostat in it was in Auto-X. I pegged the red zone once or twice (my attention was elsewhere, unfortunately).

V6 Camaro sucks a festering, diseased vagina. I'd rather rock a Honda Fit. At least it's more practical. And I would totally rock the new V6 TT Mustang that's coming out.

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 01:40 PM

It's cool.

I used to do composite work and could make my own mold for a hood if I had the time and money. I'd have to pull a few strings as well since getting the vacuum pump and bagging supplies would be a PITA and would be easier to borrow some shop time. Luckily pre-preg is much easier to work with over wet-lay.

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 01:42 PM

"You were going the wrong way"
"You weren't using a cross-walk"
"You're right"


LOL

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617197)
It's cool.

I used to do composite work and could make my own mold for a hood if I had the time and money. I'd have to pull a few strings as well since getting the vacuum pump and bagging supplies would be a PITA and would be easier to borrow some shop time. Luckily pre-preg is much easier to work with over wet-lay.

Word. You know, if you've got an OEM hood laying around, you can wrap it in saran wrap and then lay the pre-preg over it and use a blow dryer to get it rigid, then remove it and try to find a big oven, ha ha ha.

rider384 08-16-2010 01:55 PM

I have now blown the turbo to hot side coupler off 6 times. It is starting to get annoying.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by rider384 (Post 617206)
I have now blown the turbo to hot side coupler off 6 times. It is starting to get annoying.

Use different clamps. Use Hi-Heat tape and increase the outer circumference of the material the coupler is on. Increase the diameter of your charge pipes (if you don't care about increased lag). Change coupler manufacturer or increase plies.

Your solution is in one of the suggestions above.

Bond 08-16-2010 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by rider384 (Post 617206)
I have now blown the turbo to hot side coupler off 6 times. It is starting to get annoying.

Put some jizz on the bead

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by rider384 (Post 617206)
I have now blown the turbo to hot side coupler off 6 times. It is starting to get annoying.

I had that problem...tried the usual tricks..rough up the compressor, hir spray, clean the coupler with acetone..I ended up using a mounting spot on the compressor and stuck a bolt in and and used a piece of wire between the bolt and the t-clamp to hold the assembly together. It's worked quite well.

In this picture from FM's site, you can see the hole I am talking about below the inlet (the one on the right of the two) It's threaded.

http://www.flyinmiata.com/turbos/images/IMG_3957.jpg

Braineack 08-16-2010 02:37 PM

allow more flex in the pipes...

Joe Perez 08-16-2010 02:42 PM

FAA regulations section 25.807 (a) paragraph 4 states, with regard to over-wing emergency exits, that these exits shall consist of "a rectangular opening of not less than 19 inches wide by 26 inches high, with corner radii not greater than 6.3 inches"

Now, both the FAA and the airlines impose certain limitations on who may and may not sit in an emergency exit seat. The passenger must be 15 years of age or older, able to lift 50 lbs, able to read, speak and understand English, etc. We can dicker about how strictly these rules are enforced, but the fact is that they exist.

So why is it that there is absolutely no rule at all which says that in order to sit next to the emergency exit, you need to be able to fit through the exit? On yesterday's STL -> PHX leg (US Air flight 287, an Airbus 319) I was sitting in 10C next to a woman who would basically act as a cork should she try to pass through the exit. Seriously, there's just no way she would have ever made it, and as a result, that exit would have become useless the instant she tried to wedge herself through it.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 02:46 PM

Obese people should be quarantined and forced to train vigorously for months on end until they were normal. If they die then rightfully so for letting themselves get that fat. It's also a fuckin' pissoff when you have a green light but have to wait for some fat motherfucker to finish crossing the street. One of my coworkers is like that. He can't sit in his Galant with the seat tilted all the way back without his stomach hitting the steering wheel and folding over it. Last time he mumbled to my boss about his weight the first number was 4 (may not seem like much but he is 5' 1" tall). I mean, that's bullshit. Fat people are nothing but an eye sore. They are too physically unable to be useful. We should just kill them for not having any motivation.

KPLAFIN 08-16-2010 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 617235)
FAA regulations section 25.807 (a) paragraph 4 states, with regard to over-wing emergency exits, that these exits shall consist of "a rectangular opening of not less than 19 inches wide by 26 inches high, with corner radii not greater than 6.3 inches"

Now, both the FAA and the airlines impose certain limitations on who may and may not sit in an emergency exit seat. The passenger must be 15 years of age or older, able to lift 50 lbs, able to read, speak and understand English, etc. We can dicker about how strictly these rules are enforced, but the fact is that they exist.

So why is it that there is absolutely no rule at all which says that in order to sit next to the emergency exit, you need to be able to fit through the exit? On yesterday's STL -> PHX leg (US Air flight 287, an Airbus 319) I was sitting in 10C next to a woman who would basically act as a cork should she try to pass through the exit. Seriously, there's just no way she would have ever made it, and as a result, that exit would have become useless the instant she tried to wedge herself through it.

Speaking of "obese" people on airplanes.... I want to know which system it is that they hack into to find out how big you are. The reason I ask is that every flight I have ever been on my 125lb ass ends up sitting next to Shamu, like they plan it out that since I'm not using but 70% of my seat that the Orca next to me can utilize the other 30%.

Related note, I still think airlines should charge by the pound for your ticket.

Doppelgänger 08-16-2010 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 617235)
FAA regulations section 25.807 (a) paragraph 4 states, with regard to over-wing emergency exits, that these exits shall consist of "a rectangular opening of not less than 19 inches wide by 26 inches high, with corner radii not greater than 6.3 inches"

Now, both the FAA and the airlines impose certain limitations on who may and may not sit in an emergency exit seat. The passenger must be 15 years of age or older, able to lift 50 lbs, able to read, speak and understand English, etc. We can dicker about how strictly these rules are enforced, but the fact is that they exist.

So why is it that there is absolutely no rule at all which says that in order to sit next to the emergency exit, you need to be able to fit through the exit? On yesterday's STL -> PHX leg (US Air flight 287, an Airbus 319) I was sitting in 10C next to a woman who would basically act as a cork should she try to pass through the exit. Seriously, there's just no way she would have ever made it, and as a result, that exit would have become useless the instant she tried to wedge herself through it.

Using logic and regulation, always pick your seat on the emergency exit row knowing that you can have and such fatass technically removed from that row. This ensures that you never have to pin yourself against the far end of the seat due to someone else's over-eating ass spilling part way into yours. The benefit also includes having more legroom than most others on your flight.

I sat on the emergency rom on one flight and they looked at me and asked me two times if I would feel up to the task if need be.

I do have a passionate distain for fat people. They are a hell of a burden on everyone and it's so sad that the government keeps hiking up the standards to what "fat" is. Clearly there is a problem. I mean, there are more obese people than smokers, yet smokers are taxed more and more and shunned into corners and banned in even reasonable areas from smoking. It's gotten so bad that years ago a "small" meal at your favorite fast-food join netted to a real, small drink. Now today's "small" is like a "large" from 10 years ago. It's completely preventable and only one's motivation can be blamed.

Eventually, America is going to look like everyone on the Axiom from WALL-E.

Joe Perez 08-16-2010 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617253)
Using logic and regulation, always pick your seat on the emergency exit row knowing that you can have and such fatass technically removed from that row.

I suspect I probably could, but while I tend to be a vindictive, heartless bastard here on the forums, in the real world, I have difficulty actually being a dick to people who haven't actively done something to me to piss me off. I wouldn't piss on Hyper if he were on fire, but when it comes to random strangers, I haven't yet perfected that part of me that allows me to be a dickhead to them without specific provocation.

I know, it's a character fault on my part. :)



I sat on the emergency rom on one flight and they looked at me and asked me two times if I would feel up to the task if need be.
I always pick the emergency row. Specifically, the second emergency row, as the forward one doesn't recline. And yeah, it's now standard policy on all airlines for a cabin attendant to have a short discussion with anyone sitting there and require from them a verbal "Yes" when asked if they meet all of the various criteria which they rattle off. But the fatties, well, I guess the cabin crews just don't want to be bothered with causing controversy.



Eventually, America is going to look like everyone on the Axiom from WALL-E.
This thought has indeed occurred to me. Quite a lot recently, in fact, since I've actually been focusing a bit more on my own weight. I've lost about 10 lbs over the past month. (Funny, normally when I'm on the road I eat like a king. This past trip in STL, I was actually kind of annoyed that it really is quite difficult to find anything that isn't deep fried or laden with crap unless you have the time to actually go into a proper sit-down restaurant.)


Also, I'm going to make another broad generalization. People in the midwest and the southeast are, as a whole, much fatter, and have much fatter and much less well-mannered children than people in the New England region and in the west and southwest.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 03:39 PM

Doppelganger preaching the truth. It is nothing short of pathetic that people do not have the common sense or the reserve to control themselves. Obese people really should be quarantined and violently forced to lose weight. I agree 100% that obese people are more of a public burden than MANY other stereotypes. They are slow, clumsy, incapable of practicing proper hygiene and smell foul.

Braineack 08-16-2010 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 617253)
I mean, there are more obese people than smokers, yet smokers are taxed more and more and shunned into corners and banned in even reasonable areas from smoking. It's gotten so bad that years ago a "small" meal at your favorite fast-food join netted to a real, small drink. Now today's "small" is like a "large" from 10 years ago. It's completely preventable and only one's motivation can be blamed.


free health care, cheap mcdonalds. life is good.


Doppelganger preaching the truth. It is nothing short of pathetic that people do not have the common sense or the reserve to control themselves. Obese people really should be quarantined and violently forced to lose weight. I agree 100% that obese people are more of a public burden than MANY other stereotypes. They are slow, clumsy, incapable of practicing proper hygiene and smell foul.
fat people have all the freedom in the world to be as fat as they want. should they get special privileges for it, no. should we point and laugh, yes. Should my choices on what I want to eat, or how much i should pay for said food be affected, fuck no. If we went away with a health care system and people had to pay out of pocket for a heart transplant, you'd bet your bottom dollar mother fuckers would get healthy fast.

I eat a pretty regular diet of "take-out" food, and I've lost 30 lbs over the last year.

cliffs: fuck the government

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 04:04 PM

Fast food makes me shit, ha ha. Plus, it's gross and has a minimal amount of food value. But you are correct, obese people should be charged premiums for medical and transportation services.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 04:04 PM

On a side note, some of these tags are fuckin' hilarious.

fooger03 08-16-2010 04:09 PM

gov't tax on fast food and luxury foods (candy, chips, ice cream) based on weight FTMFW!

If u wanna get fat, better do it on spam and water, bitches!

mgeoffriau 08-16-2010 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 617298)
gov't tax on fast food and luxury foods (candy, chips, ice cream) based on weight FTMFW!

If u wanna get fat, better do it on spam and water, bitches!

There's no need to tax it. There's already a natural consequence -- poor health, which typically results in either (and often both) poor quality of life, and increased medical bills (which results in poor quality of life).

See how easy that is? When you don't let the government incentivize/subsidize things it considers valuable, then you don't have to tax/disincentivize people to counteract that original incentive.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 617304)
There's no need to tax it. There's already a natural consequence -- poor health, which typically results in either (and often both) poor quality of life, and increased medical bills (which results in poor quality of life).

See how easy that is? When you don't let the government incentivize/subsidize things it considers valuable, then you don't have to tax/disincentivize people to counteract that original incentive.

Except they still have the mentality that is this: "Just one more bite won't hurt, will it? "Oh, I'll just eat it this one time because it's convenient."

gospeed81 08-16-2010 04:44 PM

The government has interfered with the fat market (or food and health markets), and just like every other market totally fucked it up.

We are not designed to eat the way we eat...and you can thank food subsidies for that. Our behavior is also shaped by a lack of real consequences for our actions, and you can thank government health care for that.

End the end we all end up paying for the choices of others.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 617313)
The government has interfered with the fat market (or food and health markets), and just like every other market totally fucked it up.

We are not designed to eat the way we eat...and you can thank food subsidies for that. Our behavior is also shaped by a lack of real consequences for our actions, and you can thank government health care for that.

End the end we all end up paying for the choices of others.

And this is exactly why obese people should be paying premiums for medical/transportation/hospitality services. It is only fair for the rest of the people.

fooger03 08-16-2010 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 617304)
There's no need to tax it. There's already a natural consequence -- poor health, which typically results in either (and often both) poor quality of life, and increased medical bills (which results in poor quality of life).

See how easy that is? When you don't let the government incentivize/subsidize things it considers valuable, then you don't have to tax/disincentivize people to counteract that original incentive.

We must figure out how to re-ambiguate "the government" and "the people", because, If I'm not mistaken, we're supposed to be a government by the people, and for the people, no? If we the people, in majority, find obscenely obese people to be a negative impact on our lives (be it healthcare costs, or airplane seating, or generally lacking in economic benefit relative to economic costs) then shouldn't being fat be illegal?

We must also disambiguate "for the people" and "for the people's vote"....but since that generally seems to be the difference between two major political parties, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 04:55 PM

The worst thing for a country is politics. Plain and simple. I don't want to start a massive political debate, but when has it ever been a Peoples' Government where the People manage the Government as a mass. It's apparent that it should really be called for what it is: A small group of people who form the Government and govern the People.

mgeoffriau 08-16-2010 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by E-NA6CE (Post 617305)
Except they still have the mentality that is this: "Just one more bite won't hurt, will it? "Oh, I'll just eat it this one time because it's convenient."

So what? As long as I'm not paying for their medical bills, more power to them. They are making a decision -- the immediate gratification of gluttony is more valuable to them then the later years of their life, their money, and their ability to not sweat on relatively mild days.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 617322)
So what? As long as I'm not paying for their medical bills, more power to them. They are making a decision -- the immediate gratification of gluttony is more valuable to them then the later years of their life, their money, and their ability to not sweat on relatively mild days.

You mean sweat from just breathing. Ha ha ha ha. But for real, I posted that because it's something that will affect us because the government will just use our tax dollars to help fund the implementation of self-help programs for obese people.

gospeed81 08-16-2010 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 617318)
We must figure out how to re-ambiguate "the government" and "the people", because, If I'm not mistaken, we're supposed to be a government by the people, and for the people, no? If we the people, in majority, find obscenely obese people to be a negative impact on our lives (be it healthcare costs, or airplane seating, or generally lacking in economic benefit relative to economic costs) then shouldn't being fat be illegal?

We must also disambiguate "for the people" and "for the people's vote"....but since that generally seems to be the difference between two major political parties, I don't see that happening anytime soon.



The whole thing is....they are people too.

They have the freedom to be fat, and their vote counts just as much as mine does.

I don't agree with our Canadian friend with the gay sigpic...they shouldn't die, or be forced to be healthy. They should however have to face natural consequences...and like Brain said, shouldn't receive special treatment, by airlines, by the government, etc.

I do agree that airlines should charge by pound. It's not discriminatory, it's simple logistics...we ARE nothing but weight to them, and their job is to move weight. Flat rate flying is kind of ridiculous in reality, but the USPS does flat-rate too...and last I heard they were doing great :bowrofl:


McDonalds is cheap. Now ask yourself WHY?

Artificial food prices. Their whole menu is BUILT on the five most subsidized food crops. It is not in their best interest to provide us with healthy food...but to turn a profit. If a market, affected by government intervention, allows them to sell arguably tasty food at something well below what a trip to the store costs, all while being much more convenient, then it's NO WONDER whole slews of Americans have changed their eating habits.

Who can you blame? Lobbyists, congressmen, etc.


Now fast forward a decade. Joe Fatass now has diabetes/heart problems/thewholeotherslewofrealhealthproblemstracedtoobesi ty and is at the hospital debating which taxpayer funded treatment option is best for him.

Blame the same people...


Yes, you can blame the obese for their poor choices...but admit that it's not a natural choice being made. Easier method to getting fat, with lessened consequences.

Welcome to the land of the free*...




*just not free from an obese government

fooger03 08-16-2010 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 617322)
So what? As long as I'm not paying for their medical bills, more power to them. They are making a decision -- the immediate gratification of gluttony is more valuable to them then the later years of their life, their money, and their ability to not sweat on relatively mild days.

But you ARE paying for their medical bills....Unless you don't have health insurance, and aren't paying taxes for medicare/medicaid.

Insurance companies spread the cost of the few expensive people among the majority of the less expensive people...put another way, If it weren't for people that had to have triple bypass surgeries, and diabetes supplies, and....and....and..., your health insurance premiums would be substantially lower. You would also be paying far less in taxes to support medicare...

fooger03 08-16-2010 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by gospeed81 (Post 617328)
I don't agree with our Canadian friend with the gay sigpic...they shouldn't die, or be forced to be healthy.

Don't forget to consider that Canadian healthcare is 100% socialized...

mgeoffriau 08-16-2010 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 617329)
But you ARE paying for their medical bills....Unless you don't have health insurance, and aren't paying taxes for medicare/medicaid.

Insurance companies spread the cost of the few expensive people among the majority of the less expensive people...put another way, If it weren't for people that had to have triple bypass surgeries, and diabetes supplies, and....and....and..., your health insurance premiums would be substantially lower. You would also be paying far less in taxes to support medicare...

I don't support the Medicare/Medicaid system.

Insurance companies do discriminate based on health factors like weight and lifestyle by charging different rates.

And before government made it a healthcost subsidization program, insurance companies were allowed to reject new coverage for potential clients they considered too much of a risk.

E-NA6CE 08-16-2010 05:17 PM

my sigpic is awesome. You love it. But I didn't say they should be killed, they should be forced to be healthier, especially since they directly affect our insurance premiums and everything else that we are taxed on. Plain and simple.

Joe Perez 08-16-2010 05:36 PM

It's so damned easy to stir the pot with you guys.

Bring on the forced labor camps! :D

gospeed81 08-16-2010 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by E-NA6CE (Post 617334)
I didn't say they should be killed


Originally Posted by E-NA6CE (Post 617238)
Fat people are nothing but an eye sore. They are too physically unable to be useful. We should just kill them for not having any motivation.



And your sig pic makes me feel weird inside.


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