The Science of Nutrition
#301
Lol gluten free bread. I hate that term so ******* much. Gluten is what makes bread, thats like trying to make concrete without cement. You cant. You end up with something maybe resembling bread that was either made by scientists in a lab rather than a chief or doesnt have the correct texture to be bread.
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Interestingly, when I saw it, it kind of spurred me to do a little research along those lines.
It turns out that Orthorexia Nervosa is actually a recognized eating disorder.
I think that's my cue to stop attempting to have rational debate in this thread.
Further reading, some of it scholarly:
Orthorexia nervosa: a preliminary study with a proposal for diagnosis and an attempt to measure the dimension of the phenomenon. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia nervosa: validation of a diagnosis questionnaire. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia; When eating healthy goes awry - Mayo Clinic
Orthorexia nervosa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It turns out that Orthorexia Nervosa is actually a recognized eating disorder.
Those who have an “unhealthy obsession” with otherwise healthy eating may be suffering from “orthorexia nervosa,” a term which literally means “fixation on righteous eating.” Orthorexia starts out as an innocent attempt to eat more healthfully, but orthorexics become fixated on food quality and purity. They become consumed with what and how much to eat, and how to deal with “slip-ups.” An iron-clad will is needed to maintain this rigid eating style. Every day is a chance to eat right, be “good,” rise above others in dietary prowess, and self-punish if temptation wins (usually through stricter eating, fasts and exercise). Self-esteem becomes wrapped up in the purity of orthorexics’ diet and they sometimes feel superior to others, especially in regard to food intake.
Orthorexia Nervosa | National Eating Disorders Association
Orthorexia Nervosa | National Eating Disorders Association
I think that's my cue to stop attempting to have rational debate in this thread.
The condition, orthorexia nervosa, affects equal numbers of men and women, but sufferers tend to be aged over 30, middle-class and well-educated.
The condition was named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, and is described as a "fixation on righteous eating". Until a few years ago, there were so few sufferers that doctors usually included them under the catch-all label of "Ednos" – eating disorders not otherwise recognised. Now, experts say, orthorexics take up such a significant proportion of the Ednos group that they should be treated separately.
"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group. "Other eating disorders focus on quantity of food but orthorexics can be overweight or look normal. They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure'."
Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out.
The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished. Their dietary restrictions commonly cause sufferers to feel proud of their "virtuous" behaviour even if it means that eating becomes so stressful their personal relationships can come under pressure and they become socially isolated.
"The issues underlying orthorexia are often the same as anorexia and the two conditions can overlap but orthorexia is very definitely a distinct disorder," said Philpot. "Those most susceptible are middle-class, well-educated people who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives."
Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, said: "There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia. I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."
Jade believes the condition is on the increase because "modern society has lost its way with food". She said: "It's everywhere, from the people who think it's normal if their friends stop eating entire food groups, to the trainers in the gym who [promote] certain foods to enhance performance, to the proliferation of nutritionists, dieticians and naturopaths [who believe in curing problems through entirely natural methods such as sunlight and massage].
"And just look in the bookshops – all the diets that advise eating according to your blood type or metabolic rate. This is all grist for the mill to those looking for proof to confirm or encourage their anxieties around food."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ating-disorder
The condition was named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, and is described as a "fixation on righteous eating". Until a few years ago, there were so few sufferers that doctors usually included them under the catch-all label of "Ednos" – eating disorders not otherwise recognised. Now, experts say, orthorexics take up such a significant proportion of the Ednos group that they should be treated separately.
"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group. "Other eating disorders focus on quantity of food but orthorexics can be overweight or look normal. They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure'."
Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out.
The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished. Their dietary restrictions commonly cause sufferers to feel proud of their "virtuous" behaviour even if it means that eating becomes so stressful their personal relationships can come under pressure and they become socially isolated.
"The issues underlying orthorexia are often the same as anorexia and the two conditions can overlap but orthorexia is very definitely a distinct disorder," said Philpot. "Those most susceptible are middle-class, well-educated people who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives."
Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, said: "There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia. I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."
Jade believes the condition is on the increase because "modern society has lost its way with food". She said: "It's everywhere, from the people who think it's normal if their friends stop eating entire food groups, to the trainers in the gym who [promote] certain foods to enhance performance, to the proliferation of nutritionists, dieticians and naturopaths [who believe in curing problems through entirely natural methods such as sunlight and massage].
"And just look in the bookshops – all the diets that advise eating according to your blood type or metabolic rate. This is all grist for the mill to those looking for proof to confirm or encourage their anxieties around food."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ating-disorder
Further reading, some of it scholarly:
Orthorexia nervosa: a preliminary study with a proposal for diagnosis and an attempt to measure the dimension of the phenomenon. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia nervosa: validation of a diagnosis questionnaire. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia; When eating healthy goes awry - Mayo Clinic
Orthorexia nervosa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
#304
Interestingly, when I saw it, it kind of spurred me to do a little research along those lines.
It turns out that Orthorexia Nervosa is actually a recognized eating disorder.
I think that's my cue to stop attempting to have rational debate in this thread.
Further reading, some of it scholarly:
Orthorexia nervosa: a preliminary study with a proposal for diagnosis and an attempt to measure the dimension of the phenomenon. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia nervosa: validation of a diagnosis questionnaire. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia; When eating healthy goes awry - Mayo Clinic
Orthorexia nervosa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It turns out that Orthorexia Nervosa is actually a recognized eating disorder.
Those who have an “unhealthy obsession” with otherwise healthy eating may be suffering from “orthorexia nervosa,” a term which literally means “fixation on righteous eating.” Orthorexia starts out as an innocent attempt to eat more healthfully, but orthorexics become fixated on food quality and purity. They become consumed with what and how much to eat, and how to deal with “slip-ups.” An iron-clad will is needed to maintain this rigid eating style. Every day is a chance to eat right, be “good,” rise above others in dietary prowess, and self-punish if temptation wins (usually through stricter eating, fasts and exercise). Self-esteem becomes wrapped up in the purity of orthorexics’ diet and they sometimes feel superior to others, especially in regard to food intake.
Orthorexia Nervosa | National Eating Disorders Association
Orthorexia Nervosa | National Eating Disorders Association
I think that's my cue to stop attempting to have rational debate in this thread.
The condition, orthorexia nervosa, affects equal numbers of men and women, but sufferers tend to be aged over 30, middle-class and well-educated.
The condition was named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, and is described as a "fixation on righteous eating". Until a few years ago, there were so few sufferers that doctors usually included them under the catch-all label of "Ednos" – eating disorders not otherwise recognised. Now, experts say, orthorexics take up such a significant proportion of the Ednos group that they should be treated separately.
"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group. "Other eating disorders focus on quantity of food but orthorexics can be overweight or look normal. They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure'."
Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out.
The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished. Their dietary restrictions commonly cause sufferers to feel proud of their "virtuous" behaviour even if it means that eating becomes so stressful their personal relationships can come under pressure and they become socially isolated.
"The issues underlying orthorexia are often the same as anorexia and the two conditions can overlap but orthorexia is very definitely a distinct disorder," said Philpot. "Those most susceptible are middle-class, well-educated people who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives."
Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, said: "There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia. I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."
Jade believes the condition is on the increase because "modern society has lost its way with food". She said: "It's everywhere, from the people who think it's normal if their friends stop eating entire food groups, to the trainers in the gym who [promote] certain foods to enhance performance, to the proliferation of nutritionists, dieticians and naturopaths [who believe in curing problems through entirely natural methods such as sunlight and massage].
"And just look in the bookshops – all the diets that advise eating according to your blood type or metabolic rate. This is all grist for the mill to those looking for proof to confirm or encourage their anxieties around food."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ating-disorder
The condition was named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, and is described as a "fixation on righteous eating". Until a few years ago, there were so few sufferers that doctors usually included them under the catch-all label of "Ednos" – eating disorders not otherwise recognised. Now, experts say, orthorexics take up such a significant proportion of the Ednos group that they should be treated separately.
"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group. "Other eating disorders focus on quantity of food but orthorexics can be overweight or look normal. They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure'."
Orthorexics commonly have rigid rules around eating. Refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods is just the start of their diet restrictions. Any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also out.
The obsession about which foods are "good" and which are "bad" means orthorexics can end up malnourished. Their dietary restrictions commonly cause sufferers to feel proud of their "virtuous" behaviour even if it means that eating becomes so stressful their personal relationships can come under pressure and they become socially isolated.
"The issues underlying orthorexia are often the same as anorexia and the two conditions can overlap but orthorexia is very definitely a distinct disorder," said Philpot. "Those most susceptible are middle-class, well-educated people who read about food scares in the papers, research them on the internet, and have the time and money to source what they believe to be purer alternatives."
Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, said: "There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia. I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."
Jade believes the condition is on the increase because "modern society has lost its way with food". She said: "It's everywhere, from the people who think it's normal if their friends stop eating entire food groups, to the trainers in the gym who [promote] certain foods to enhance performance, to the proliferation of nutritionists, dieticians and naturopaths [who believe in curing problems through entirely natural methods such as sunlight and massage].
"And just look in the bookshops – all the diets that advise eating according to your blood type or metabolic rate. This is all grist for the mill to those looking for proof to confirm or encourage their anxieties around food."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ating-disorder
Further reading, some of it scholarly:
Orthorexia nervosa: a preliminary study with a proposal for diagnosis and an attempt to measure the dimension of the phenomenon. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia nervosa: validation of a diagnosis questionnaire. - PubMed - NCBI
Orthorexia; When eating healthy goes awry - Mayo Clinic
Orthorexia nervosa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
EDIT: Saw your little ninja-edit there. I seriously have no idea what you mean by "being Jewish is an eating disorder" in this context. Mind filling me in?
EDIT: Saw your little ninja-edit there. I seriously have no idea what you mean by "being Jewish is an eating disorder" in this context. Mind filling me in?
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#306
http://chriskresser.com/food-fascism-and-the-8020-rule
I think that's my cue to stop attempting to have rational debate in this thread.
#311
Let me reiterate some facts which may have been missed.
- Gluten intake can trigger autoimmune disease which can have no symptoms for many years until irreversible damage has taken place. Destruction of the thyroid is one example.
- Autoimmune disease has risen in past decades, to be the #3 killer in the USA. (e.g. multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Addison's, Hashimoto's, Graves', Type 1 diabetes, Crohn's)
- Some researchers now think that all automimmune diseases are related to gut permeability issues.
- Gluten causes transient gut permeability in everyone
- Is is suspected that gluten is implicated in most autoimmune disease
- there is now evidence that it's not just the gluten in wheat that causes wheat intolerance
Until we know more, for example, a gene is identified that indicates susceptibility and say 23AndMe can test for it, or, a poo gene sequencing test can tell you that you have protective gut flora, I think it's prudent to cut back on wheat.
- Gluten intake can trigger autoimmune disease which can have no symptoms for many years until irreversible damage has taken place. Destruction of the thyroid is one example.
- Autoimmune disease has risen in past decades, to be the #3 killer in the USA. (e.g. multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, Addison's, Hashimoto's, Graves', Type 1 diabetes, Crohn's)
- Some researchers now think that all automimmune diseases are related to gut permeability issues.
- Gluten causes transient gut permeability in everyone
- Is is suspected that gluten is implicated in most autoimmune disease
- there is now evidence that it's not just the gluten in wheat that causes wheat intolerance
Until we know more, for example, a gene is identified that indicates susceptibility and say 23AndMe can test for it, or, a poo gene sequencing test can tell you that you have protective gut flora, I think it's prudent to cut back on wheat.
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Originally Posted by 23andme
< 0.1 out of 100
men of European ethnicity who share y8s's genotype will develop Celiac Disease between the ages of 0 and 79.
men of European ethnicity who share y8s's genotype will develop Celiac Disease between the ages of 0 and 79.
#314
We only buy Bubbies pickles and sauerkraut now as it's actually fermented and not just pickled (and it's easier than fermenting your own).
#315
It's important to note that while probiotic yogurt is helpful, it only temporarily supplies an influx of bacteria -- they don't actually repopulate the gut. In order to get some long-term changes you need to consume prebiotic foods which are mostly naturally fermented things like kimchi, pickles, sauerkraut, etc.
Also, supplying your existing gut flora with resistant starch like the potato starch Jason has mentioned will grow and rebalance your gut biome.
We only buy Bubbies pickles and sauerkraut now as it's actually fermented and not just pickled (and it's easier than fermenting your own).
We only buy Bubbies pickles and sauerkraut now as it's actually fermented and not just pickled (and it's easier than fermenting your own).
#317
Phytate counterpoint by paleo guy:
Down the Rabbit Hole: When Phytate Becomes a Nutrient | Free The Animal
Down the Rabbit Hole: When Phytate Becomes a Nutrient | Free The Animal
#318
Going on the paleo diet, figured why not. Also have to get back into working out 4-5 times a week instead of the 2 or so I've been doing lately.
I've put back the 15lbs I had lost coming into the holiday season, but still needed to lose more than that. I'll step on the scale Monday after my body has had a chance to normalize after this past weekend's debauchery with all the stylists/spouses from my wife's salon.
If I'm where I think I am from how my clothes are fitting. I need to lose about 40.
I've put back the 15lbs I had lost coming into the holiday season, but still needed to lose more than that. I'll step on the scale Monday after my body has had a chance to normalize after this past weekend's debauchery with all the stylists/spouses from my wife's salon.
If I'm where I think I am from how my clothes are fitting. I need to lose about 40.
#319
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/op...drug.html?_r=0
Good look at some of the research* into the gut biome.
*Sorry, not research. I meant pseudoscience.
Good look at some of the research* into the gut biome.
*Sorry, not research. I meant pseudoscience.
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STUDIES!
cliffs: fats aren't as bad as you thought, but some are better than others. also watch those carbs.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...088400000&_r=0
cliffs: fats aren't as bad as you thought, but some are better than others. also watch those carbs.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...088400000&_r=0