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Old 09-24-2015, 01:52 PM   #1
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Default VW is responsible for rolling global coal warming?

How is there no thread on this VW diesel story yet? 11 million cars that may need a recall of some kind? It seems like the solution I've seen so far would knock 10mpg off the highway economy and significantly decrease hp.

Discuss. (or point me toward the thread that should already exist).
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cause no one actually gives a ****?
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cause no one actually gives a ****?



Every time I've ever changed the oil on a VW anything, it's always been watery black goop filled with w/e globs of crud.
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my dad has a few new turbodiesel vw's at the shop
he showed me some of the crap they're equipped with that fails often
blew my mind how overcomplicated and terrible they are
example: the "diesel exhaust fluid" system. wowwwwww
another example: the constantly clogging fuel system
and on and on and on


I hear the previous gens were a whole lot more simple
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cause no one actually gives a ****?
Since when has that stopped MT.net from debating it anyway?
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I blame Obama
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Why not leverage the "tune by usecase" further instead?

GPS could enable less NOx urban, and less CO2 extraurban. What would be wrong with that?
But coal driven electrics are much more PC.
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I blame Obama
if he hadn't made emission standards so strict, they wouldn't be forced to cheat.
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They are producing more NOx emissions, probably less C02 emissions.

In the fight for lower emissions these two types are in opposition. Very difficult to reduce one without increasing the other.

I question whether we are trying to regulate to the right mix of allowable emissions. Allot of the schemes to reduce overall emissions actually increase C02. Particulate emissions is an example particulates are reduced by turning carbon particulates into CO2 capturing them in a trap in the exhaust then combining the carbon with oxygen basically by burning it with more fuel. The reduction of several things directly requires the burning of more fuel. NOx is best reduced with adding an SCR catalyst to the exhaust with urea injection. It separates the Nitrogen and sets it free. In efforts to avoid having to fill an additional tank of fluid to carry around many attempts to reduce NOX have been done by using massive amounts of exaust gas recirculation (EGR). That’s how anybody without an on board **** tank is attempting to do it.

NOX- Primary pollutants that produce photochemical smog, acid rain, and nitrate particulates. Destruction of stratospheric ozone. Human health impact.

CO2- Most common greenhouse gas
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Is this the thread where I remind pretty much EVERYONE ON THIS SITE that every time someone asks "what kind of car should I get?" EVERYONE ON THIS SITE says "JSW TDI"?
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and by everyone you of course mean the 3-4 people that have some seriously strange fetish-like obsession with diesel and hatred toward hybrids?

I gotta way though, the prev gen tdi's seem to be much less complicated and much more popular than the most current gen.

PS: I would love to own a new VW if it were under warranty adn I never had to work on it.
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I wonder if VW TDIs will be any cheaper on the used market after they issue whatever fix they come up with. If customers are suddenly getting a lot less hp and lower fuel economy, they may not see the value anymore. It's pretty easy to throw a tune on those things, right? Not that I want to buy a VW anytime soon.
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and by everyone you of course mean the 3-4 people that have some seriously strange fetish-like obsession with diesel and hatred toward hybrids?

I gotta way though, the prev gen tdi's seem to be much less complicated and much more popular than the most current gen.

PS: I would love to own a new VW if it were under warranty adn I never had to work on it.

this is a website full of emissions cheaters...

how many times have you enabled the rear o2 defeat on a subby?
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I could care less about cheating emissions. Neva eva cared about that

I do care about overcomplicated cars that are a nightmare to work on doe
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Granted we here are the vast exception to the rule.
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I do care about overcomplicated cars that are a nightmare to work on doe
A friend of mine down in FL, who is not typically a complete idiot, has thus far owned two diesel Toureggs.

They are, quite literally, two of worst vehicles I have ever seen. Not only do they fail often, but they tend to do so rather spectacularly and at great cost.

To replace the starter on one, for instance, the first step in the manual is "remove engine." That wasn't so big a deal back on the Beetle, but it's a tad involved when you're hoisting a V10 with more hoses and fittings on it than an early 80s Honda.

One of them ate its own high-pressure fuel pump, in the process of which it distributed fine particles of whatever metal-like substance it's made from all throughout the injectors and rails. That wasn't cheap to fix.

Electrical system woes... I'd wager that the CEL on one of them has spent more of its life illuminated than not.



My sister owned a Jetta for a while. That car used to literally leave pieces of itself on the road. Body panel fasteners, fender liners... I'm amazed it never just fell to pieces like the Bluesmobile did when Jake & Elwood finally arrived at the tax assessor's office.





I honestly don't know why VW is still in business. They've forgotten how to car.
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on a different forum, we have a specific smiley

type in :vw:

out comes

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Edit: Why can't we type in the word "[email protected]"? Or more importantly ".../pictures_of_plants/[email protected]"


In the battle between NOx and CO2, why are we even worried about CO2 in the first place? Nature has already invented the perfect catalyst for converting it:



And THE BEST PART IS: THEY ARE FOUND IN IMMEASURABLE QUANTITIES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PLANET!!!










Only 1/3rd of the earths surface is covered in land, Only 2/3rds of it is covered in water, but nearly ALL of it is covered in these little gems called chloroplasts!!!

CO2 and sunshine go in, O2 and fuel source come out...

In fact, I postulate that the faster we put more CO2 into the atmosphere, the faster we will be able to grow our "renewable energy" sector, because without this valuable CO2, they simply can't produce anything. If we could save the life of just one big animal, wouldn't it be worth it? Save the Whales, burn all of the gas!!

More CO2 --> More Phytoplankton --> More Zooplankton --> More Krill --> More Blue Whales!!!
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Purdue conducted a plant study in which the researchers pumped higher than normal doses of CO2 around some plants. (major simplification of course)
The results: The plants grew much faster than normal, and seemed to be limited by the amount of nutrients they could uptake from the soil.
CO2 is only a problem when it becomes fixed in the atmosphere leading to increased temperatures.
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VW is failing emmissions by making less than prescribed C02 and more than Prescribed NOX. they are more fuel efficent in that process. NOX comes from lean burn.
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