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Old 09-29-2015, 10:36 AM   #101
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Der Spiegel has adopted a rather pessimistic tone with regard to the situation:




Caption reads "the suicide."
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So have the prices on used TDi's plummeted? If so, buy one, chip it, profit.

Consumer Reports Finds How Fuel Economy And Performance Drops When VW Diesels Stop Cheating
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So have the prices on used TDi's plummeted? If so, buy one, chip it, profit.

Consumer Reports Finds How Fuel Economy And Performance Drops When VW Diesels Stop Cheating
How will buying one and chipping it lead to a profit? I have a '10 Jetta Sedan.
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Old 10-10-2015, 10:14 AM   #106
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"Profit" is an mt.net colloquialism. I don't think he meant you would literally make money, but instead, be able to get into a previously highly valued car, much cheaper.
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Aren't they going to be a lot more strict with VW's now though
I can totally see them implementing something where a chipped or tuned VW will now fail emissions
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Not if you don't have emissions.
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That is my exact situation. I have no emissions, so I don't think any of this VW dieselgate stuff applies to me at all lol.
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I'm sure that Kevin Underhill is going to have a field day when the class-action suits start to be filed. "Plaintiffs allege that Volkswagen AG knowingly and maliciously engaged in a conspiracy to improve both engine performance and fuel economy, and seek to recover damages stemming from their non-loss." I'm watching his blog intently.
And it's begun (though, as yet, nothing from Underhill,) from my own TV station earlier today:




Mind you, The Cochran Firm is a nationwide group specializing in frivolous mass-tort litigation, having been founded by none other than Johnnie Cochran himself, best known for getting O.J. Simpson off the hook for murder.

Audi Recall Lawsuit | The Cochran Firm
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Anyone who thinks they'll receive any compensation from a C.A.L is really dumb. The law firm is the only one who benefits from them.

Although, a $100 giftcard to Outback Steakhouse would be nice...
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That is my exact situation. I have no emissions, so I don't think any of this VW dieselgate stuff applies to me at all lol.
Doesn't really matter if your state has emissions check or not. In this case, the cars don't meet the federal std for emissions which trump state laws (except for CA which are more stringent).
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Although, a $100 giftcard to Outback Steakhouse would be nice...

In this class action, by the time all the lawyers get paid, a $100 gift card will be wishful thinking...
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In this class action, by the time all the lawyers get paid, a $100 gift card will be wishful thinking...
I know, after hearing what people received from the DPF CAL 3 years ago, it isn't worth the hassle.

EPA better not do a mandatory recall. If so, I'm delightfully fucked unless I sell the car.
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Has the federal government ever pushed a nationwide mandatory recall before, one that would keep states from registering a car till the paperwork is in place?

Has that ever happened before, even within one state?

The DMV can't hardly handle itself around here, they "upgraded" to computers and half the state was driving around with expired tags till they had it fixed. Them trying to handle anything other than what they've done for the last, ever, is not going to happen smoothly.

Kansas is not the first state to experience DMV debacle after pricey computer upgrade - kshb.com - kansas city - + KSHB.com
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I'm less concerned about VW's emissions than what the government has done to the environment by nuclear weapons testing and other stuff they are rumored to be playing around with.
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Has the federal government ever pushed a nationwide mandatory recall before, one that would keep states from registering a car till the paperwork is in place?

Has that ever happened before, even within one state?

The DMV can't hardly handle itself around here, they "upgraded" to computers and half the state was driving around with expired tags till they had it fixed. Them trying to handle anything other than what they've done for the last, ever, is not going to happen smoothly.

Kansas is not the first state to experience DMV debacle after pricey computer upgrade - kshb.com - kansas city - + KSHB.com

Closest I've seen is the Takata air bag thing but it hasn't come to that yet. Funny even after Takata effectively said "**** you" to the US government which, one could argue, has said "OK, thanks"... In other industries I.E. Child safety it's done but impossible to enforce because there's no 'records' of ownership whereby you can go to the actual owner and demand to send the crib back. In the case of a motor vehicle it's somewhat easier.




I think, in the background, you've got a lot of backdoor diplomacy going on with our commerce 'partners' I.E. Germany saying "hey, we'll let a low level engineer plead on this so long as you go lightly on the company". Fines will commence, some poor engineer who had nothing at all to do with it will end up losing his/her job (living happily ever after) and the cars will get fixed via the recall method. But what do I know.
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General musing:

I'd really have thought that, by now, humanity as a species would have learned not to trust any Volkswagen product designed subsequent to the death of Costel Rădulescu. Any damages incurred by a person who willingly purchases one ought to be negated under both the Assumption of Risk doctrine and the Open and Obvious doctrine.

Put another way: By attending a baseball game, you knowingly assume the risk of being hit in the face by a foul ball. (Mantovani v. Yale Univ., Crespin v. Albuquerque Baseball Club, etc.)

And if you go to the zoo and climb down into the bear pit with the intention of cuddling up next to a panda, the zoo is pretty much relieved of any and all liability for harms which arise from this action. (Sandler v. Patel, Costello v. Grand Central Plaza, etc.)

I'm sorry, folks. This isn't some hidden danger like coffee which is served hot. When you purchase any modern German car, you're playing Russian Roulette to begin with. And when it's a VW, you're playing with a semautomatic pistol.




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Although, a $100 giftcard to Outback Steakhouse would be nice...
The 2009 judgement in Windsor Fashions, in which presiding judge Brett Klein ordered that plaintiffs' attorney Neil Fineman's $130,000 chunk of the settlement be paid in the same $10 gift cards that he negotiated for his clients was a true classic.

I'm not saying that I'm generally in favor of mass-tort litigation, but some judgements are true works of art.




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I'm less concerned about VW's emissions than what the government has done to the environment by nuclear weapons testing and other stuff they are rumored to be playing around with.
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I can't believe you played the Rădulescu card.
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Doesn't really matter if your state has emissions check or not. In this case, the cars don't meet the federal std for emissions which trump state laws (except for CA which are more stringent).
So? The cars have already been sold, so what power do they have now? Order the states to recall them all?
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