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Originally Posted by fredb
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Unfortunately, we have our share of idiots too. Nor is it isolated to diesel trucks ....locally there is even a "stanced" Miata �� . And No it's not mine !
At work, my team just installed a new switcher made by Ross Video, a company located in Iroquois, ON. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443153753 It's a big, expensive piece of equipment. They're sending some people out next month to commission it and train our staff on how to use and maintain it. Today, we had a conference call to discuss the schedule for this. The two reps from Ross were so damn polite and complimentary that it was actually kind of funny (as compared to dealing with TV & film people from NYC and LA most of the time.) |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
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Well, first to deploy it at the consumer level, at the very least.
I don't know anything about the Cummins situation, but wasn't Navistar's problem not that they were deliberately cheating the emissions test, but merely that the EGR system which they came up with in an effort to avoid the cost of implementing DEF turned out not to work especially well, and therefore basically fucked them squarely in the goat-hole? Fun fact: DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) is basically just synthetic cat piss diluted in water. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1269583)
How did Obama pass those emissions standards while he was a law professor?
Tier 2 Diesel emissions standards were passed into law in 1999 August 28, 2012 The Obama administration announced strict new vehicle fuel-efficiency standards Tuesday, requiring that the U.S. auto fleet average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, an uncontroversial move that, unlike other administration energy policies, was endorsed by industry and environmentalists alike. If they wanted to meet strict MPG numbers AND meet strict NOx numbers AND safety impact standards...you need Romneycare. and it's not like the didn't try: Background on the 2.0L diesel engines at the core of the Volkswagen emissions testing debacle As a result, real-world NOx emissions increased by a factor of 10 to 40 times above the EPA compliant levels, depending on the drive cycle. that shit is tough: The increasingly tough emissions standards have also claimed another vehicle. Chrysler has ceased production of the Liberty CRD, the first mid-size, diesel-powered SUV in the US. According to a Chrysler spokesperson: Engineering modifications to the [Liberty CRD] engine as well as other aspects of the vehicle were required for Liberty CRD to comply with the new standards. However, we could not make a credible business case for such an investment, especially for limited production vehicles. The Liberty CRD was a market test for Chrysler. The Liberty, which features a 2.8-liter engine, exceeded Chrysler’s sales expectations by more than 70%, racking up more than 11,000 units since its introduction. Volkswagen, the other provider of diesel light-duty vehicles in the US, has also indicated that it would drop its diesel passenger cars from the 2007 model-year line up as it reworks its vehicles to meet the new standards. VW expects to deliver a 50-state Jetta in 2008. (Earlier post.) That will leave the Mercedes E320 BLUETEC, due to arrive this fall, as the only new diesel passenger vehicle available in all 50 states. More than 60% of Chrysler Group vehicles sold in Western Europe are diesel-powered. Between 2003 and 2007, Chrysler Group will have tripled the number of diesel offerings outside North America. Of its estimated 20 vehicles available, 12 or more will have the option for a diesel powertrain (up from four in 2003). |
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FWIW most of the "coal" from rolling coal is particulates that fall back to the earth. Its not nearly as bad as it is made out to be.
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It is entirely pointless and fucking retarded though. Waste of energy, in more ways than one, that doesn't ever get turned back into anything of use.
And on top of it all, the guys I know who roll coal could get by just fine with a prius or cavalier but instead they drive 12mpg smokestacks. I don't get it. It screams insecurity to me, I just lol and enjoy the smell. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443191139 |
I'm not arguing the point of it, or the retardedness.
Just arguing the belief that it is killing us all. Also most of those diesel trucks get ~20-25mpg. Or higher. |
Yes, some might occasionally get 20mpg, but I've never been in any of those. I learned to drive/took the test in a 05 dually duramax that would hardly do better than 18 on the highway. In the city, 12 was good.
My dad paid 65 grand for that bitch, new. I bet he could have rented trucks as often as he needed it. A old truck and a new car would have been cheaper and far more economical. And I know my dad ain't alone, big truck says workin' man, right? |
Originally Posted by aidandj
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FWIW most of the "coal" from rolling coal is particulates that fall back to the earth. Its not nearly as bad as it is made out to be.
It also stupidly squanders a finite resource. |
I agree with you on all points.
Just playing devils advocate. There are well tuned, powerful, efficient diesels out there. Along with the shitty brodozer coal rollers. Check out the motortrend diesel power challenge sometime. Those trucks all make upwards of 1000hp/2000ft/lbs. And average >25mpg on the fuel economy test. I'm currently shopping for a long bed single cab 90's powerstroke to daily drive this winter. I use my pickup bed all the time, and I just like diesels. I want the power/torque of them. Just like how I could have kept my miata N/A but then I wouldn't get to feel the boost. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1269621)
you forgot how this joke worked.
I know it was a silly "haha OBUMMER" joke but I thought I would poke fun at it anyway, since you consistently blame him for things that prior administrations did :) also remember that 10-40% greater than the limit of .07, is .077-.098 g/mi; that's still half the NOx of a Bin 8 car. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1269648)
Is it 2025 already? The standards that VW cheated to meet were passed by Clinton, not Obama. Obama's standards (which everyone except you likes) won't come into effect for another decade.
I know it was a silly "haha OBUMMER" joke but I thought I would poke fun at it anyway, since you consistently blame him for things that prior administrations did :) 10-40x = 1000-4000%. If the limit is .07, and you emit 40x the limit, you emit 2.8g/mi. fail joke is fail :( |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1269646)
It also stupidly squanders a finite resource.
I can go on. That's a poor argument. Because stupid in your eyes isn't stupid in their eyes. I can agree with you on ruining the environment, and giving diesels a bad name, but I can't agree that doing something that gives them a happy feeling is stupidly squandering a resource. |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1269652)
And dirt biking.
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Everyone else should conserve fuel so I can run rich in boost in defiance of the EPA.
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Thought you might like that Sean.
My point is, something being stupid is your opinion. And means shit to everyone else. |
Tis the definition of bigotry
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Bigotry is the intolerance of the person who has the differing opinion from you.
Not the intolerance of the actual opinion. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443213087 |
same difference
and let me just be clear that im a "Rolling coal" bigot too. |
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