This is what I hate about m.net
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The performance oriented folks there are also members here too,and most of them go there for a laugh.
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I would not care to deal with customers that whine like that and trash talk the product.
and there are a coupla ricers on club roadster, but there are alot of performance oriented folks there too. Just because you did all the really cool stuff that normally is not available here, doesent make you a ricer.
and there are a coupla ricers on club roadster, but there are alot of performance oriented folks there too. Just because you did all the really cool stuff that normally is not available here, doesent make you a ricer.
Now, what I saw from auto's reply on the miata.net thread, I do not believe that he has the knoweledge or capability to run any real world tests on his hood. And Tom's summary is correct. Either make me a hood w/o the ugly as sin gills, or show me that they work.
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so he really didnt design anything if he used ebay gills and erebunis hood, he just did some body work...so its probably worthless
i assume that it does reduce the effectiveness of the erebuni hood by relieving underhood pressure in a place other than the front exducers
the only benefit i can see would be that it helps keep underhood temps down while stopped, but so will any other cut directly above the motor and turbo
if the gills are there to improve the look of the miata, then he surely is mistaken, a lot simpler and more effective method would be to insert cutouts like on the older 2.5RS Imprezas, has function and does not look like *** FWIW
i assume that it does reduce the effectiveness of the erebuni hood by relieving underhood pressure in a place other than the front exducers
the only benefit i can see would be that it helps keep underhood temps down while stopped, but so will any other cut directly above the motor and turbo
if the gills are there to improve the look of the miata, then he surely is mistaken, a lot simpler and more effective method would be to insert cutouts like on the older 2.5RS Imprezas, has function and does not look like *** FWIW
#28
I agree. The mistake is thinking that an extractor type vent is going to work as an extractor where ever it's placed on the hood. You don't a miata pressure model to see that. IMO the extractor should be just behind the rad and the "vents" at the rear of the hood should just be holes to release the trapped heat. When my fan comes on at a stop, the air that comes from the ground up by my window is like a furnace. That's why I'm putting a hole over the turbo. The extractor by the rad will serve the same purpose when the fan cuts on.
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I agree. The mistake is thinking that an extractor type vent is going to work as an extractor where ever it's placed on the hood. You don't a miata pressure model to see that. IMO the extractor should be just behind the rad and the "vents" at the rear of the hood should just be holes to release the trapped heat. When my fan comes on at a stop, the air that comes from the ground up by my window is like a furnace. That's why I'm putting a hole over the turbo. The extractor by the rad will serve the same purpose when the fan cuts on.
and its way easier/cheaper and just as if not more effective
problem solved?
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That hood reminds me of the hoods from the DSM world, and the EVOs.
It looks as if FM hood and Auto hood are setup to do two different things. On DSM the hoods at are similar to Auto's, which was not design to remove heat from the engine bay, they were designed to help flow air through the rad. This increase airflow though the rad and lowered temps. They worked, and been a FWD motor setup, they also helped to remove some heat from the turbo when sitting still at a light. AKA the evo hoods.
The FM hood seem to be designed with the plan to remove heat from the engine bay, now this will also increase rad airflow but in theory not as much just do to motor **** been in the way.
Now I like the look of Auto's hood and I would love to see some test with the stock hood and Auto's hood,where a coolant temp, engine bay temps and outside temps where all record and compared. That would be the best way to prove if his hood works or doesn't work.
Now as far as helping the turbo miata, in theory, the hood should flow better air through the rad allowing for cooler coolant temps, which would allow a larger FMIC and more boost. Now as far as removing turbo heat, the grills should in theory remove some heat from the turbo, maybe not as much as FM but some. Again that is all theory and without some real world data... IT ALL MEANS JACK ****
It looks as if FM hood and Auto hood are setup to do two different things. On DSM the hoods at are similar to Auto's, which was not design to remove heat from the engine bay, they were designed to help flow air through the rad. This increase airflow though the rad and lowered temps. They worked, and been a FWD motor setup, they also helped to remove some heat from the turbo when sitting still at a light. AKA the evo hoods.
The FM hood seem to be designed with the plan to remove heat from the engine bay, now this will also increase rad airflow but in theory not as much just do to motor **** been in the way.
Now I like the look of Auto's hood and I would love to see some test with the stock hood and Auto's hood,where a coolant temp, engine bay temps and outside temps where all record and compared. That would be the best way to prove if his hood works or doesn't work.
Now as far as helping the turbo miata, in theory, the hood should flow better air through the rad allowing for cooler coolant temps, which would allow a larger FMIC and more boost. Now as far as removing turbo heat, the grills should in theory remove some heat from the turbo, maybe not as much as FM but some. Again that is all theory and without some real world data... IT ALL MEANS JACK ****
#32
quite tearing this guy apart. his ideas are sound and I have no doubt that this hood would help with cooling. it may not be a perfectly engineered project, but it's a damn good design. the price is also the ONLY fair one I've seen on a excavator hood for the miata. IF these hoods are available when I get around to my coolant re-route, I will certainly reclock my turbo and change my hot side piping to use it.
by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
#33
Some evidence in favor of Erebuni:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/7
He doesn't overheat on track at ~300whp with a GT3071R@15psi on an FM stroker motor. He's got a crazy dual thermostat setup, where above a certain temp, he bypasses the heater core so everything goes through the radiator.
Lots of other cool stuff on his site, too.
-Mike
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/737924/7
He doesn't overheat on track at ~300whp with a GT3071R@15psi on an FM stroker motor. He's got a crazy dual thermostat setup, where above a certain temp, he bypasses the heater core so everything goes through the radiator.
Lots of other cool stuff on his site, too.
-Mike
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quite tearing this guy apart. his ideas are sound and I have no doubt that this hood would help with cooling. it may not be a perfectly engineered project, but it's a damn good design. the price is also the ONLY fair one I've seen on a excavator hood for the miata. IF these hoods are available when I get around to my coolant re-route, I will certainly reclock my turbo and change my hot side piping to use it.
by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
by tearing into new vendors like this you guys are only furthering the problem of excessively high pricing for miata aftermarket. you should be supportive, if for no other reason than to create competition in the market and reduce the cost of parts you do want.
#35
Wow, I wasn't expecting that response from mike about withdrawing sponsorship. It didn't sound like you guys were bashing him at ALL. Just constructive ideas/criticism. Some people just need thicker skin.
I'm surprised also becuase there was definitely more people ready to buy the hood as opposed to those clearly not going to buy it.
As for the thread lock right after someone posted comparisons between the two hoods (FM).....lame and typical m.net.
I'm surprised also becuase there was definitely more people ready to buy the hood as opposed to those clearly not going to buy it.
As for the thread lock right after someone posted comparisons between the two hoods (FM).....lame and typical m.net.
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NOBODY INSULTED HIM. The track crew (Emilio, BID, and a couple others) wanted to see data and testing, and all he had was theories, and when they started debating theories and suggesting ideas, he got pissed off, took his ball, and went home. Really ******* mature of him. Every person who had a comment on that hood joined it with "nice piece, I'm very interested", and he still decided that because we aren't a bunch of CR.net fanbois telling him that his **** is h0t, we aren't worth the time or money.
So tell him to grow a pair and go back over there. Debate the theories, admit your faults, and stay in the game, rather than packing your **** because a couple of people didn't like your product. Technical debate and improvement of your products based on customer feedback is an awesome way to build a really loyal following (example: Emilio). Deciding to just up and leave because your customers had suggestions is ******* childish.
I was really interested in one of his hoods, and still am, since he mentioned he'd be willing to do a pre-paid order for a non-gilled hood. I just have to decide if I want to deal with someone who acts like that when people scrutinize his product.
Gary's comments were downright assholish and insulting, and I told him as much in PM after I saw them. To his credit, he deleted them afterwards.
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