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Old 07-23-2010, 06:28 PM   #61
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when you lift to put weight to front tires that have traction, rear continues to follow the direction it was travel and rotates around the tires with traction. lifting is bad.
Yeah, lift throttle oversteer. That's what I said. If, however, you go from a lift throttle state to a state where the balance is returned to even then you are putting weight back on the rear tires.
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Senna could catch the snap. It's hard to do under the best of circumstances. These track noobs in cars they're deathly afraid of damaging have little hope of success


Edit: this one doesn't seem to want to embed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF8hsSsiQVA

Senna executes a pass at the very start of the video, and catches the car twice as it wags. Two other drivers then try to pass in that same section, fail to catch the snap-back, and end up stacked in the same section of tirewall.
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Old 07-23-2010, 07:09 PM   #63
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Old 07-23-2010, 09:23 PM   #64
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throttle!
old but good video, he's so close to the wall so many times
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Anyone got an in-car drifting vid with a little box showing the driver's feet?
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Oh and

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That curb upset the dude's M3 a lot more than it should have. Not sure whether it was wet (although it probably was judging by the way they slid across the grass), and he didn't even attempt to countersteer in the slightest when the car let go.
I wondered if the ground just past the end of the curb may have been dug into. If there was a trough next to the pavement it could have caught the front wheel and initiated that spin.
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I see what Walter Rohrl was doing and I see what you are telling me. I was wrong. I have actually done that before but wasn't thinking about it in the right way. Between the N/A RX7 and the Miata it has been awhile since I had a car that had enough torque to take advantage of that type of maneuver. The old '68 GTO has the torque (512ft lbs) but doesn't play well with corners so I go easy on it. I need more power.
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:19 PM   #69
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Oh and

Why is that nga on the dry line?
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I felt lucky to recover this one... This was from my second event, solo, but still fighting insinct and general noob. I was too early on gas, tail slides out, I let off gas, fight instinct and trottle on and luckily recovered. To tell the truth I was "red-mistin'" right then trying to keep with the Porsche.

6-7 more track weekends since, powering through feels second nature... now the guy in the porsche was starting to carry his braking into the turns - and he wasn't learning how to trail brake either... Perfect example of corning weight distribution and what happens. It could've cost him if he was going faster!
Just scroll to 4:30 if interested...

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Old 07-24-2010, 12:47 PM   #71
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Snap oversteer always looks weak on video, horrifying in the car.

turn #1 at Hallett is scary at speed. I get my car up to about 120mph, brake to about 95mph, then scrub speed on turn in to about 85mph and back the car in and let the curbing and the throttle steer on exit. Most people are afraid of the left-right combo in 7-8 where you can't see over the hill in the middle of the pair, but have to commit. I however fear the "grab the curb hard or go for a ride" much more.
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Gravity is a bitch. Especially the lack thereof when crossing the crown. Learned that in the undulating corners test in Gran Turismo. LOL!
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gravity inertia is a bitch.
Yuppers.
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...and we always have trail-brake (similar to lift-throttle, but more extreme since brakes are being used to transfer weight) fuckups...which can be countered with applying the throttle and countersteer...or by modulating the brakes and adding LOTS of countersteer to bring the car to a stop in a sideways position.

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Yes, inertia that leads to a lack of gravity.
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Yes, inertia that leads to a lack of traction.
yep
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Yes, inertia that leads to a lack of traction reducing the effects of gravity. We all win!!! Kisses!
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I have come to the realization that whenever someone flips their car, they yell ****!
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I randomly yell ****.
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I'd yell Nemesis.
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