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When is a personal defense weapon an assault rifle? When you own it. | The Daily Caller
The Department of Homeland Security, in a public solicitation for a “personal defense weapon” describes what would otherwise be called an “assault rifle” if owned by a civilian.
The solicitation, which was posted on June 7, 2012, describes the qualities of a firearm designed for personal defense. The solicitation’s “Statement of Work” defines the desired firearm as “Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) – 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required.”
Select-fire, which would enable someone to use the gun in automatic fire mode, is already prohibited to the general public.
The proposal also requires a feature that would land the gun on Senator Feinstein’s list of banned weapons, the pistol grip. The requirements of a government authorized PDW state, “The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.”
The pistol grip is a cosmetic feature and does not affect the functioning of the gun.
Another feature of a government PDW is the magazine size. The proposal requires “The magazine shall have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.”
Senator Feinstein’s “Assault Weapons Ban of 2013″ would prohibit magazines that hold 11 or more rounds.
It’s completely reasonable for the government to have select-fire firearms with pistol grips and 30-round magazines. The Department of Homeland security needs to keep us safe from enemies both foreign and domestic that seek to do us harm within our borders.
It is also completely reasonable for the government to keep in place the restrictions that currently regulate civilian ownership of automatic firearms.
What seems completely out of place is when a civilian wants to own a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip and a magazine with a capacity greater than ten rounds, it is labeled an “assault rifle.” But when a government employee needs a gun for personal protection, that has substantially more firepower than a civilian owned firearm, it is a “personal defense weapon.”
Presupposing a firearm in the hands of a civilian is for the purpose of assault is intentionally prejudicial to the concept of personal freedom.
“What is in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” – Juliet asked Romeo. Naming a firearm an “assault rifle” is to declare it a tool for the sole purpose of committing illegal acts.
Implied intent to commit a crime, that is what’s in a name. So, when is a personal defense weapon an assault rifle? When you own it.
The solicitation, which was posted on June 7, 2012, describes the qualities of a firearm designed for personal defense. The solicitation’s “Statement of Work” defines the desired firearm as “Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) – 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required.”
Select-fire, which would enable someone to use the gun in automatic fire mode, is already prohibited to the general public.
The proposal also requires a feature that would land the gun on Senator Feinstein’s list of banned weapons, the pistol grip. The requirements of a government authorized PDW state, “The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.”
The pistol grip is a cosmetic feature and does not affect the functioning of the gun.
Another feature of a government PDW is the magazine size. The proposal requires “The magazine shall have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.”
Senator Feinstein’s “Assault Weapons Ban of 2013″ would prohibit magazines that hold 11 or more rounds.
It’s completely reasonable for the government to have select-fire firearms with pistol grips and 30-round magazines. The Department of Homeland security needs to keep us safe from enemies both foreign and domestic that seek to do us harm within our borders.
It is also completely reasonable for the government to keep in place the restrictions that currently regulate civilian ownership of automatic firearms.
What seems completely out of place is when a civilian wants to own a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip and a magazine with a capacity greater than ten rounds, it is labeled an “assault rifle.” But when a government employee needs a gun for personal protection, that has substantially more firepower than a civilian owned firearm, it is a “personal defense weapon.”
Presupposing a firearm in the hands of a civilian is for the purpose of assault is intentionally prejudicial to the concept of personal freedom.
“What is in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.” – Juliet asked Romeo. Naming a firearm an “assault rifle” is to declare it a tool for the sole purpose of committing illegal acts.
Implied intent to commit a crime, that is what’s in a name. So, when is a personal defense weapon an assault rifle? When you own it.
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Actually the last time I checked it's perfectly legal to buy a firearm as a gift, so long as the recipient is legally able to possess said firearm. States like CA require FFL for transfers though I believe.
Yeah I get it, that term just makes me want to punch a Liberal on general principals..
I also read a study by the FBI once that placed "assault weapons" as less than 2% of firearm related crime.
Yeah I get it, that term just makes me want to punch a Liberal on general principals..
I also read a study by the FBI once that placed "assault weapons" as less than 2% of firearm related crime.
The biggest reason almost nobody commits crimes with rifles in general is because they're impossible to conceal. Shotguns can be sawed off and pistol-gripped, but a rifle doesn't exactly tuck in.
Understand that I am using "gunshow loophole" somewhat sarcastically to refer to face-to-face transactions that do not require background checks. I would guess there are probably more politicians than we give credit for using it with the same meaning, but with a different intent.
Don't know in New Jersey, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was illegal for a pistol. I wouldn't let her have it in the divorce if it ever comes to that.
Congrats!!! I think half the people shot a Ruger .22 pistol as their first gun. They are a mandatory staple in the collection any enthusiast and very fun guns. Lever actions always make me happy in my pants, and FN's are as good as they get. You had a nice intro. Let us know if you're interested in getting your own gun and we can steer you in the right direction.
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I'm not sure why you think I'm a Democrat. Because I question an idea does not mean I hold its opposite.
I feel that the best way to make sure my understandings are valid is to scrutinize them closely. Hopefully, I come out of that exercise with a reinforced understanding but if evidence warrants, I am able to change my perspectives to incorporate the new information or new way of thinking about that information. I try to be a-religious in all things. I try to hold understandings rather than beliefs, because beliefs must be upheld no matter what the evidence suggests.
For example, questioning my positions on gun control led me to dig deeper into primary source data and determine that almost all of the current initiatives associated with an "assault weapons ban" would do virtually no good in solving gun violence issues in the USA. I am now more confident in that understanding than I was before.
You had a nice intro.
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Congrats!!! I think half the people shot a Ruger .22 pistol as their first gun. They are a mandatory staple in the collection any enthusiast and very fun guns. Lever actions always make me happy in my pants, and FN's are as good as they get. You had a nice intro. Let us know if you're interested in getting your own gun and we can steer you in the right direction.
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I love my mark lll ss bull barrel target model. Shots flawlessly with any and all ammo and is super accurate even when shooting very very fast at 45 feet. Built to shoot tons and tons of rounds through. Heavy good feel and drops down on target naturally. Now I'm thinking about the Ruger alaska 44 mag overbuilt hand cannon. Always puts a smile on my face and makes me laugh when i see it. Thinking about a ruger 9 for my girlfriend for a good ccw gun.
I kind of consider myself a little bit of a gun snob, but I really like the over built qaulity, accuracy and price of the Ruger line up. A gun is worthless if it doesn't work when you're life depends on it.
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The f. Ing criminals are not limited to 10 rnd mags. Plus I'm pretty certain that some of the criminal activity they list against supposedly assault weapons is the number of them that is stolen from legal, honest, registered owners. Fienstien needs to be publically hung by the neck until dead dead dead.!!! Don't get me started on Obama or Clinton.!
Don't like the Dem party and not liking the Rep party much any more. I might be a libertarian in the works?
I kind of consider myself a little bit of a gun snob, but I really like the over built qaulity, accuracy and price of the Ruger line up. A gun is worthless if it doesn't work when you're life depends on it.
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The f. Ing criminals are not limited to 10 rnd mags. Plus I'm pretty certain that some of the criminal activity they list against supposedly assault weapons is the number of them that is stolen from legal, honest, registered owners. Fienstien needs to be publically hung by the neck until dead dead dead.!!! Don't get me started on Obama or Clinton.!
Don't like the Dem party and not liking the Rep party much any more. I might be a libertarian in the works?
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For info, I'm starting to see things come back in stock sporadically. BCG's, barrels, parts-kits, etc... are showing up more and more. They go quick, but hopefully I'm reading between the lines correctly and this is a sign of production ramping up.
PMAGs go from "in stock" to "backorder" to "not available" literally in minutes of hitting a store. I've got a few "notify me when in stock" emails out but so far haven't been quick enough... and I'm not shitting you, it's literally minutes. And there are about 10 mag brands that were previously almost unknowns that are hitting the market to cover the slack.
I've got 3 backorders in place for 10packs of PMAGs and a few more for some aluminum GI stuff, so I'll be good when/if they arrive.
Kesselring actually has all Glock mags "in stock" for $35 each, which is freaking amazing considering that's the first place I've seen them at any price in weeks. PLEASE let me know if you see G19 mags anywhere for less than that, cause no ******* way I'm spending $100 for 3 mags.
Ammo in major calibers are still nowhere to be found, and nobody is offering "pre-sale" deals on anything, but I'll give that about 3 months or less before we're back to normal for ammo... and hopefully there will be a several month period where the market is flooded like crazy with cheap Russian stuff... boner. I'm gonna hit Walmart tomorrow on the way into work hoping they get a shipment tonite. I would jizz my shorts right there in the aisle to find a few white-boxes at regular price... then I'd go straight to 7-11 and buy my salary in Powerball tickets.
After I get my mags, I'm gonna start looking for lowers. Considering how much a complete gun costs, I'm not averse to $200 stripped forged lowers that will probably never again go down in value... then start working on parts.
In any case, the light is starting to get brighter. If nothing happens in Congress for another 2 months or so, I foresee most things being available again (although at inflated prices), and by mid-spring, mostly back to normal. Previously I was thinking more like late-summer, but even in the past week, things have gotten visibly better.
PMAGs go from "in stock" to "backorder" to "not available" literally in minutes of hitting a store. I've got a few "notify me when in stock" emails out but so far haven't been quick enough... and I'm not shitting you, it's literally minutes. And there are about 10 mag brands that were previously almost unknowns that are hitting the market to cover the slack.
I've got 3 backorders in place for 10packs of PMAGs and a few more for some aluminum GI stuff, so I'll be good when/if they arrive.
Kesselring actually has all Glock mags "in stock" for $35 each, which is freaking amazing considering that's the first place I've seen them at any price in weeks. PLEASE let me know if you see G19 mags anywhere for less than that, cause no ******* way I'm spending $100 for 3 mags.
Ammo in major calibers are still nowhere to be found, and nobody is offering "pre-sale" deals on anything, but I'll give that about 3 months or less before we're back to normal for ammo... and hopefully there will be a several month period where the market is flooded like crazy with cheap Russian stuff... boner. I'm gonna hit Walmart tomorrow on the way into work hoping they get a shipment tonite. I would jizz my shorts right there in the aisle to find a few white-boxes at regular price... then I'd go straight to 7-11 and buy my salary in Powerball tickets.
After I get my mags, I'm gonna start looking for lowers. Considering how much a complete gun costs, I'm not averse to $200 stripped forged lowers that will probably never again go down in value... then start working on parts.
In any case, the light is starting to get brighter. If nothing happens in Congress for another 2 months or so, I foresee most things being available again (although at inflated prices), and by mid-spring, mostly back to normal. Previously I was thinking more like late-summer, but even in the past week, things have gotten visibly better.
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Who wants to make me a list of components I need to buy to complete an AR, with specific brand/item recommendations?
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It's probably about 75 lbs as it sits - If I fill up the ammo cans, it'll probably get closer to 90 lbs. I put the ammo cans over the wheels for better weight handling. So far, the only thing that has given me trouble is soloing stairs. A bit more weight than I had originally bargained for, but not at all unwieldy with the big casters.
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In any case, the light is starting to get brighter. If nothing happens in Congress for another 2 months or so, I foresee most things being available again (although at inflated prices), and by mid-spring, mostly back to normal. Previously I was thinking more like late-summer, but even in the past week, things have gotten visibly better.
Interesting status report from Valley Guns in West Virginia:
Status of gun industry
Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.
Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.
FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.
Remington-Maxed out!
Armalite: Maxed out.
DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.
COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.
LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.
Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.
AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.
MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.
RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted...
Status of gun industry
Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.
Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.
FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.
Remington-Maxed out!
Armalite: Maxed out.
DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.
COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.
LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.
Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.
AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.
MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.
RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted...
Kesselring actually has all Glock mags "in stock" for $35 each, which is freaking amazing considering that's the first place I've seen them at any price in weeks. PLEASE let me know if you see G19 mags anywhere for less than that, cause no ******* way I'm spending $100 for 3 mags.
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Hot dam, my CAA 10-mag pack came in (beat you Lars ). They're not pmags, but hopefully will work juast as well. 6.5mm projectiles for the Grendel also came in, still no brass however.
). They're not pmags, but hopefully will work juast as well. 6.5mm projectiles for the Grendel also came in, still no brass however.
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My CAA mags ended up coming in yesterday to. Definitely not pmags but a step up from my old metal mags.
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I had the same outlook as well but a friend of mine sent me this link. This was posted here a couple of days ago, I haven't been able to verify the information, but it does seem to mirror what the local gun stores say they are hearing and repeating to customers. Looks like the availability of guns will be up, but ammo might be a little harder to get ahold of.
If the info in that list is true, I'm kinda surprised... S&W only has the capacity to make 300 guns a day??? That's only 110k guns a year assuming working 7 days a week? Didn't the country just do 2.8million in December alone? Rough math makes that like 1% of market share? WHAT?
FBI — NICS Firearms Checks: Top 10 Highest Days/Weeks
What I really want to hear about is when the shipments of Russian steel-case ammo starts hitting the beach.
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