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Old 12-02-2014, 12:47 PM   #21
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Rev built Ms2e
2005 MSM w/ stock turbo
Stock motor 650cc FIC injectors
If the day is not within the next month or so, the car will be getting a 5spd swap with a FM happy meal and 10lb flywheel over winter. I'm not sure if this will effect current tune drastically.

But my current street tune is pretty solid, I'd be looking to work on some simple things like accel enrichments and adding some timing up top and maybe cold start settings. anything below 60 degrees car cranks quite a lot.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:40 PM   #22
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Business question... Would it be cheaper to rent on a weekday or a weekend? I can see two sides of this. One says that during the weekend the dyno time is cheaper because it's not displacing other projects. Other side is that staff isn't normally there on weekends so paying them overtime rate.

Personally I am available any day of the week so I am game either way. I just have to request time off in advance. I know not everyone is so flexible, I am just putting it out there that I am able to be there say, on a Friday to get my stuff in so I don't take time away from anyone who can only be there on a weekend. Obviously this all hinges on the dyno and on Hustler.

By the way, I prefer mid March at the earliest. I don't mind cold, but we have had some icy and snowy Februarys as well as some of that continuing into March...
I have to talk to everyone and decide what day would be best. I was thinking about flying Trey here on Saturday and tune Sunday. The dyno is very close to the airport. Mid March would be good. Hopefully it won't snow that late. If everything works out and I can arrange everything I will most likely need a deposit from everyone who states they will come. More on that later
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I worry about relying on air travel the day of the dyno event. If Trey is willing, flying him in on Friday night is much less risky. If there are air travel problems it would suck to be spending dyno rental time waiting around.
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1st class on Emirates or nothing.
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Old 12-02-2014, 05:33 PM   #25
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:48 PM   #26
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I have a 99 with the following mods:
Stock head.
Mazda Speed cam
8.6:1 supertech pistons
H beam roods
ACL bearings
Oil pump gears
VVT motor oil pan and mains brace ARP hardware
ID 1000 injectors with dual feed rail and rising rate regulator Deichwerks fuel pump.
WA IC
Skunk TB
GM coils
Coolant RR, Koyo 55mm rad
Tubular manifold w-4 EGT's
EFR 6258, 3" exhaust
Gauges Oil pressure, oil and water temp, fuel pressure, boost, AFR.
Flex fuel sensor
6 speed 3:90 rear
Light flywheel stage 2 flying Miata clutch
Do not have an oil cooler yet.

I would like:
A safe tune for 93 pump and E85 and for the MS to automatically blend tables between the two, i don't care how much HP it makes as long as it is reliable.
Boost by gear to reduce boost on first and second gear maybe on 4th to keep the transmission alive.
I would like max boost and low boost maps to work (switches are in)
I can send you my tune and data log before hand.
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:56 PM   #27
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^^ That looks really nice Harold. Can't wait to see/hear it.
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Old 12-02-2014, 09:19 PM   #28
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I want to be upfront with everyone. I initially contacted Hustler to tune our cars, I think he was busy and was unable to respond my PM for a few days. On the mean time, I got impatient and asked Ben from DIYautotune if he could fly and tune as well.

He offered the following:

"Braian,

It should be possible to tune 4 running Miatas in 10 hours. 5 might be tough but doable if all the cars are ready to go. We would need to set the expectation that the cars need to come in well running & sorted, IE this would not be a trouble shooting session as if we spend significant time on diagnostics, we could easily run out of time to tune all the cars.

I will send Scott Clark to tune. Cost will be $275 per car plus $500 to cover travel (airfare, rental car, hotel, etc). I need minimum commitment of 4 cars with 75% deposit and 25% at completion. This is well under what we'd normally charge for Scott, but as you probably know I have a turbo Miata so I have a lot of love for you guys."


I will break it down, this is the price for 4 cars.
Dyno rental time= $800/ 4 = $200 each
Tuning= $275 each
Tuner fly in cost= $125

Each person would pay $400 for tuning and $200 for the dyno.
You each will have to send me 75% of $400 ($300 to lock in the tuner) and I would like 50% of the dyno rental time ($100) so I can lock in the date.
Total deposit= $400
Balance = $600.

I am shooting for mid March.
A few things, if you pay a deposit, this money is non refundable. If you are not serious, don't even think about it. If your car blows up the day before the session, too bad but I have to pay this guy and the dyno rental cost. If it snows like crazy and you can't make it, sorry but its not my problem. Once you pay a deposit, the money does not go back to you no matter what happens to you or your car so be very thoughtful about your commitment.
Now, if we set a date and the Fathouse dyno breaks or something like that nature happens, there is another dyno in Indy (cozzolino) but its not a loading dyno.


After all that rumbling, I would still like to hear what Hustler has to offer, I am by no means excluding him. I want everyone to vote on this.

Thanks.
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A little more than I was expecting but I'm still in.
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^^ That looks really nice Harold. Can't wait to see/hear it.
Thanks, it has been fun building this car, not so much fun dealing with the self inflicted wounds...
BTW i spent more than that at Pure Tuning a few months ago and Aaron is knolagable and a very nice guy but not a megasquirt specialist...
I also know that my tune is more complicated than most due to the E85 - flex and will pick up the cost of any extra time i run to get it tuned.
So i guess we have 3 so far?
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FYI, Scott Clark's tuning resume includes the world's fastest street legal vehicle, one of the Street Outlaws cars (possibly a 2nd coming up), multiple world record land speed cars, Drag Week winners, Engine Masters Competition podium winning engines, a Riddler Award winner, etc etc etc et all. He's a rock star tuner. We really only send him out for high profile stuff that will generate media attention, but our roots are deep in the Miata community, especially turbo Miata, so we're trying to help out here. I think collectively the employes of DIY own something like 8 Miatas. In all fairness, I probably will not be able to send him out for Miatas again.

HHammerly, you're essentially looking at 2 tunes, so I think it's fair to ask you to pay a little more for the tuner's time. And probably cap it at 4 total, as yours is going to take a lot more time than a single fuel tune. We'll call it "4 and a half cars". We can work that out.

James and I are ensuring that the new flex fuel features are working right. Our in-house dyno had to go down for service, and we had to order in parts from Sweden to get it back to 100%. It's repaired now, but it left a substantial backlog. You will definitely want to be running on the new firmware as soon as we can release it.

If you guys decide that you prefer to use Trey, my feelings aren't hurt. Just let me know.
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I'll fill in last minute if you guys have someone drop, but my car runs well enough to not deny someone else a great opportunity. I'm perfectly happy to hang out, watch, and be a knowledge sponge.
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I can't belive this is happening. I've been looking for a tuner around here in Indianapolis for a long time. We, Hhammerly and I are stoked about this opportunity!
Do you have a specific date on when you could send Scott? Would mid March work?
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Every dyno shop I have been to has had the same prices during the week and on the weekend.
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I'll fill in last minute if you guys have someone drop, but my car runs well enough to not deny someone else a great opportunity. I'm perfectly happy to hang out, watch, and be a knowledge sponge.
I'm not going to be able to do it. So the opportunity is all yours! I might still see if I can drive down and hang out though.
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Ok guys I need one more person.

So far is
1) My car
2) Hhammerly
3) Chiburbian

This is only going to happen once!
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Use Scott Clark instead of me, lol. I'm just a punk with a computer, he is a man...or Ben. I'd rather ride my bicycle those days anyway.

I am fine with the simple stuff, but this is growing into something that's a bit outside of my expertise. Besides, I don't like cars anymore, anyway.
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Use Scott Clark instead of me, lol. I'm just a punk with a computer, he is a man.
I don't see it that way. Thanks to you and Joe Perez amongst others my car runs. You are always helpful and I appreciate that.
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Looks like I gather the 4th person but he is running Hydra. I will ask Ben if this is ok and will get back to you guys.
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This is awesome, great presence in and around the mt community. I've already tuned the racecar at Cozzolino and my turbo build is ongoing and not to be dyno ready by March but I'd still like to come out and learn/observe so keep me in the loop Braian
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