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Old Sep 6, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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What camera did you use?
Took good quality it seems to me compared to others.
Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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My first group of shots are on a Nikon D40 with a VR 55-200mm, the second grouping posted, I'm not sure I think a nikon. These last ones are one a Canon Rebel with a 55-250mm.
Old Sep 7, 2009 | 02:59 PM
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My bad I should of been more specific, what did you use to take the video of the in car driving?
Old Sep 7, 2009 | 03:06 PM
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oh, a little casio exilim s600 digital camera. I've been fairly happy with that little guy for a pns and in-car camera.
Old Sep 7, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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This is where our autocrosses usually are:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=h&...,0.009516&z=17

Doing this one on Wednesday:
miller motorsports park - Google Maps

Old Sep 9, 2009 | 12:01 AM
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How are you liking the new turbo setup?
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
You should be able to hit 60 or 70 in a fast car in the smallest autocrosses IMO. Most of these clubs are scared to push the envelope. Needz moar ballzy designerzes. Or larger paved venues.

Fast cars on our autocrosses can top 90 in the fast sections. That's why a non-turbo slow-*** Miata suffers so badly compared with the high horse cars. That is also why I run with the guys that I do. The other local autocross groups are pantywaists. These are car guys first. They have rules, but they want to maximize fun. And if you don't get 15-20 runs in a day, then you aren't lining up. Joe Perez can vouch for all of this.
I run locally w/ Braineack (and am an organizer w/ one of the clubs). There's a lot of safety stuff to consider when designing courses. 60-70 mph is for a lot like FedEx or Ripken Stadium (larger parking lots). The smaller lots (typically minor league baseball parking lots or high schools) have too much stuff to watch out for: curbs, light poles, islands, etc. Most clubs try to use SCCA guidelines for safety, but even still, you get the occasional "whoopsy".

One of the local lots we use (Prince George's stadium in Bowie, MD) has additional space, but you need to go between islands. We chose not to for safety. Other clubs have and I know of 2 cars that "met" the island with really bad results.

Also, I don't know how the heck you squeeze 15-20 runs in a day. How many cars show up to an event? What are average range of times? What's the maximum number of cars on course at any given point?

We've tried to balance seat time, profitability (or at least break even), keep costs affordable, etc. I'd like to know the logistics that you guys experience where you are. Like Braineack stated, good lots are hard to come by in the D.C./Baltimore area.

Regarding ACU-4: Wow, I love that lot! It's so grippy. The only gripe I had was the sand blowing up. I heard folks complain about saltwater in the past. The folks there were really cool as well.


Braineack: where were these taken? Which group hosted the event?
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I also like to do a 60-70mph auto-x someday, I hear some happen in NC.

ACU-4 is a great location even in the rain with no windshield or roof. (lemons car testing this spring)
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Old Sep 14, 2009 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by saint_foo
Braineack: where were these taken? Which group hosted the event?

NCC BMW CCA. Up at Prince George's police training lot. I was going to do the bowie event with CDC but everyone said do this lot instead. I don't think it was really worth the extra 45 minutes on the highway to get there.
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Originally Posted by saint_foo

Also, I don't know how the heck you squeeze 15-20 runs in a day. How many cars show up to an event? 20-35 cars
What are average range of times? :50 to 1:20 depending on how many slower elements we add. We remove some slower elements if turnout is high or remove/alter them as the day progresses. Also we start running between 8am and 9am and run until between 4pm and 6pm depending on interest. Strangely, a lot of attendees leave at lunchtime or shortly after and don't return. That lets the rest of us get a lot more runs.
What's the maximum number of cars on course at any given point? 2 cars, but we design the course so that the second one can start pretty early depending on turnout.

We've tried to balance seat time, profitability (or at least break even), keep costs affordable, etc. We are a 501C non-profit charity
I'd like to know the logistics that you guys experience where you are. Per driver $30 members, $40 non-members
Like Braineack stated, good lots are hard to come by in the D.C./Baltimore area. We lately use the state fairgrounds or a local municipal airport facility.
Any more questions? The toughest thing is finding a great venue with no obstacles and where nobody screws with you.
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Added note regarding speeds and autocrosses: Our club boasts a fairly good safety record. As much as I'd love to use some of my faster course designs, they usually get modified or scrapped for safety reasons. We sometimes get some close calls. At 60-70mph with a novice driver, you need to have a LOT of runoff, spacing b/w cars and hard targets, and most importantly safe spots for course workers, spectators, and other participants.

I can't imagine 90+ mph at an autocross unless you run somewhere like an airfield where visibility and runoff are good.
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Originally Posted by saint_foo
I can't imagine 90+ mph at an autocross unless you run somewhere like an airfield where visibility and runoff are good.
+1
It's Florida, so it's pretty damn flat for good visibility anyway.

The venue dictates the speed for sure. That's why I am always trying to find the next great venue. All of our members are. And because we are a charity (we donate a nice sized check to the Shriners' Children's Hospital every year), we have great insurance, and several of our members are high-ranking firemen with one of the local counties, we can get property owners to give us a chance when others might fail.
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Im trying to find the picture of the Supra at bowie that hit the islands....
Old Sep 14, 2009 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
Im trying to find the picture of the Supra at bowie that hit the islands....
Mmm, yeah, that was the most recent one I was thinking of. I really don't want to call out other clubs and probably shouldn't post pics of their events that had incidents. But that's me.


Our 1 incident that I can think of recently was at Summit Point where a very nice 2-seater ended up in the grassy circle islands on the Washington skidpad circuit. Well, he managed to find the lone big rock there.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
+1
It's Florida, so it's pretty damn flat for good visibility anyway.

The venue dictates the speed for sure. That's why I am always trying to find the next great venue. All of our members are. And because we are a charity (we donate a nice sized check to the Shriners' Children's Hospital every year), we have great insurance, and several of our members are high-ranking firemen with one of the local counties, we can get property owners to give us a chance when others might fail.


Ahhh, we typically try to squeeze in 60-90 participants, unless it's a test-and-tune (40 cars w/ about 10+ runs). $25 members/$35 nonmembers.
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