Bought a big turbo....now what to do?
 

Hey guys, I recently decided to buy a project car from a local guy that's had it for years and never finished it. It's a 1990 chasis with a 1999 motor that bored over to a 1.9L, upgraded head internals, tubular exhaust manifold with a EFR 7064. Hoping to make this the fastest car at the track whenever I go.

Running a Haltech PS 1000 ECU with a Haltach Racepak logger dash.

Things considering to buy to finish:
Trackspeed radiator
949 15x11 6uls
Seats?
Harnesses?

Thanks guys, hoping to learn much here.

Mike

Good stuff man, welcome to the site. Post up some pictures so we can see what you're working with, it sounds like you're off to a great start.

Is the car running now or in pieces? If it's not running I'd suggest getting that sorted out first. No need to dive into wheels, seats, and such until you get the basics sorted out.

Thanks, it's not running. The engine has never been turned over so I'm hoping there aren't any surprises when I'm ready to start it. Right now I'm in the process of putting the wiring harness together. You have any recommendations on where to put the ECU/fusebox? I was thinking on the tunnel(passenger side) or under the dash.

I'll have to get some pictures later as it's at my buddies garage for now until I get it running.

What do you guys run for coils on an upgraded high boost motor? I'm planning to use some Audi FSI coils. I have some extras from some of my Audi projects and they're relatively cheap.

Hi Boost Joose

Most people run Toyota COPs, there's some really good information on wiring them up to the stock ignition wiring. Mine have been rock solid, no issue for probably 8 years. I think I've read people mentioning blowout issues past 20psi on them, but I've never gotten that ballsy. They've been solid for me up to 20psi though.

Fewer people run LS coils with a lot of success, but I've got no personal experience.

LS coils are the new standard go-to.

The FSI coils go for about $25 a piece. looks like I can get LS coils for $85 shipped. I think the FSI coils will be cleaner as they wont require ignition wires from the coil to the plug. Maybe I'll be the first to go with this setup. I'll have to make a bracket to mount them.

They'd look similar to this on the miatahttps://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2d1e7320a8.jpg

Looks like pretty standard Denso cops, good for 35,000 volts. I'll take my LS with 190,000 volts.

LS coils are "the new hotness", they work - don't waste your time and $$$ on anything less because you're going to end up with them anyway.

Yea, many tuners run them on twin turbo R8's and Gallardo's and Huracan's. You know the fastest half mile cars in the world making around 3000 whp. I'm sure the LS coils are better though:jerkit:

:facepalm:

And here I am being nice and giving you a second chance to not be dumb.

I'm here to improve the community with new ideas. If a little sarcasm isn't tolerated then maybe the website should be changed to something a little more feminine/sensitive. What's the status of your car these days 18psi?

Your ideas are not new, they have been proven to suck :)

For what it's worth, before you spread your new ideas. You should check out the builds section for tried and true methods.

Btw, what made you pick that turbo?

Bro, I put denso cops on my Miata, and it turned into a twin turbo huracan

http://www.eurocollective.com/images...ngine%20ok.jpg

Does he think we are pushing LS coils because we get something out of it? After so many COP failures, we must just have an agenda? I don't know what people are thinking about us. Defies logic.

Well, there is 1 person in the thread (now 2) that does. But thats besides the point. :giggle:

{Sixshooter runs to posts for sale thread with ls coils.}

Ok, can you post a link of a miata that's ran VAG FSI coils and sucked? If so, that would be great and I'll definitely look into the LSx coils.

You never answered my question, what's the status of your car? power? turbo? Just asking to see what's changed if anything.

Looking to build a track car with 400+ whp

I dont think you're pushing them to steer me wrong but I think what I'm planning to use will be sufficient and cleaner looking.

Imo, you'd be better off with a camaro LFX v6 or LS v8 swap for the amount of money to be spent for that 400+ hp goal. Long term, build up the motor & heads for high rpm abuse and you'll have a reliable track v8.

I have a question while you guys are here so I don't add to clutter in the forum. I've searched but is there a thread with 300+ hp BP track builds? I'm just looking for input/experience on anything relatable. I've read through the detonation on built motors but I didn't see any higher HP builds that were listed and setup for road course use.

I'll be running a turbo(efr 7064) capable of more but I suspect the most I would see on a road course would be 400(maybe less) to limit heat soak on a 1.9L built motor( CP 10:1 pistons, carillo rods, supertech +1 valves, edlebrock honda IM, tubular ram horn manifold).

I will be running all this on e85. I will feel the car out on track on wastegate boost(1 bar) and go from there.

The engine is built and I'm working on the harness right now. I hope to have it fully operational by the end of the year.

If this one blows I'll probably just replace with a LSX

I'm at 319whp but I'm not the poster child of how to do anything the professional way. Most of my parts were used. It's a cheap track beater.

There's probably a dozen guys I could name off that are over 300 but only a couple over 400 because the transmission options would never hold the power until now. So there was no real point. The real struggle was always to make something last on the track. Durability in that environment is difficult to master.

So it sounds like there wont be much information here for me in that power range. I will be running a Quaife gearset with 949 racing twin disk so holding the power shouldn't be a problem. The only thing that stands out for me to upgrade that I can see is the rear diff as it's just an OEM 4.10 LSD, I'd like to put in an os giken eventually or maybe just upgrade to a ford 8.8.

I'm just interested to see what kind of spool I'll get from this setup. I'm hoping to get full boost(20 psi) by around 4000 rpms if possible. it's on a .83 turbine housing.

Really cool story bro.
Let's see pics of all this stuff you've got, sounds really cool. Better not just be a wet dream.

My car's doing great btw. New owner is enjoying it daily and hasn't changed anything. Thanks for asking

Sounds like a wet dream.

Queue teriyaki boyz theme song.

This is all I've got until I get back to the shop this coming weekend
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4a44dc76aa.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...59f8a63c03.jpg

Here are some EFR's i have laying aroundhttps://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...80f3e811e5.jpg

I'm not a big fan of the LS coils either. I've seen them misfire at rich mixtures (10.7-10.9) whereas as other coils did fine (including the stock ones). Maybe a bad batch, I don't know. The VAG R8 coils are know to work well up to 300hp per cylinder but are unreliable (and extremely cheap to replace). The S2000/K20 coils work up to 350hp per cylinder and are extremely reliable. They also don't require an ignition lead.

Quaife won't hold up. Ask Deerhunter, BBundy and a few others. Like I said, there have not been any good transmission options until the BMW swap that just came out. The problem has never been coming up with the power out of the engine. It just has never been fruitful to go up past about 300-350 depending upon whether or not you're trying to make it survive on the street or the track.

One of our guys here is running 45 or 50 lb of boost currently with a Ford transmission.

I'd consider the Honda coils but I already have a harness for the FSI coils and I've not had any problems with them on other applications. I'm glad someone that's familiar with them can step in and back what I'm saying at least as far as power they can support. I have no intentions of ever going over 150 hp per cylinder in this car with this engine. If I want to do that I'll buy an LS

If you don't mind, what's been known to happen to them? The quaife gearsets?

Missing and screwed up teeth, to my recollection.

Your thread title would make it seem that you have a question or two. So far the closest thing to a question you've posed has been greeted with answers, which you've then completely ignored.

So what's the question?

The question is: why is he so awesome and we’re all so dumb?

Looks like I'm going silent....Every post I make 18psi gives me negetive rep even when I post things he's asked for.

The only questions I've asked are:

1) Where do you guys place the ECU/fusebox for standalones? No answer
2) What coilpacks do you run? Ones that are comparable to the one's I'm running but not as clean(IMO)
3) Is there existence of a Miata with FSI coils that's had coil misfire/failure? No answer
4) Why do quaife gear sets fail? Broken gear teeth

So 2/4 for you guys.

It would be nice to be in a place where I could learn something when I get this car running and vice versa. I have no doubt I'll figure it out either way but I was just hoping I could catch a break on the negative reps so I can hang out for a little.

18psi you think you can take a break from the negetive reps? Anything you'd like me to do for you to stop?

You're being an askhole.

what's funny is I'm not even neg repping him lol
didn't consider it worth my while
you want me to neg rep you? don't try to make this personal, there are many here that see the dumb in your posts :)

18psi has owned more miatas than most of us see on the street in a given year.
He has tuned countless more.
Are you questioning his knowledge because he doesn't currently have one?

If you go through my build thread, you'll find where my ECU/fuse box are, what coilpacks I run to 40 PSI with perfect reliability, and a drivetrain that's uh, stronger than whatever you're building.

I LOL'd when I saw this! Accurate...

I had to read this whole thread. The amount of OP retard, is amazing.

BROOOOOO, go read some build threads....they take a while- skim the pics and read around them if you are really lazy.

Is failaides contagious? Cause I'm a misguided idiot and just want to see sure it's not me with the icky drip spreading the dumb.

Nothing against the OP, its clear from the timeline I didn't give him anything.

Failaids is contagious, but you were not the carrier that infected the OP. He seemed to have an advanced case. Symptoms typically include expecting to be spoon fed, feelings of superiority coming from other makes, and dismissal of any prior experiential learning that may have occurred here because we weren't typically turning up the power past X number that they are used to seeing on heavier cars with more robust power trains. It's like they think that we've collectively never thought of putting a larger turbo and bigger injectors on our engines. That's the easy part. Any Honda tard can do that. When you've got people like Bob Bundy who have blown 5-speeds, 6-speeds, and Quaifes stacked up behind their garages like cord wood at 350 horsepower it really begs the question, "Why don't we run 450 horsepower like Hondas and Nissans?" But the guys who don't know the platform are always the smart ones. They'll tell you what you're doing wrong in a second.

truth

I'm actually currently tuning a 300whp Miata and a 400+ whp Miata, which makes this thread that much more amusing.

you'd think that if he'd been here before, he'd know better than to say "I guess I'll just stop talking since you all clearly don't want to hear from me" as if that's going to make us say "oh, you're right, you're so smart, plz come back."

do it, then post results. LS coils work, some others do too. Haven't seen anyone run the Audi coils. Try it and tell us how it goes.

Having been through Toyota Cops, Fail9 pencil coils, D514a's and now running D585 Truck coils, for the cost, the LS coils work quite well. Will other's work? Sure, but there's no sense in slapping dicks over such debate so long as they perform without blowout. This is like asking, "What works better ATE Type 200 or Motul RBF 600." One may be better, but it doesn't matter if all your car does is sit in the garage or is used to pick up your 2 taquitos for $2.22 at 7-eleven; both will do the job. I think most the finicky stuff boils down to getting the right wires made. SadFAB is hard to beat for coil mounting and wires. $120 for the package deal. You can order ls2/7 complete harness and relocation cable for easy wiring for another $40. Source a couple coils and you'll have a sub $200 coil solution guaranteed and proven to take you 400hp and beyond. If you're worried about auto-ignition, just migrate to the Mercury Marine IGN-1A (I have a set on standby) or whatever flavor coil you wish to mount.


Don't be ~that guy~ and just diarrhea over collective forum experience and knowledge. If you have something to prove, show us and prove us wrong, go ahead and change the paradigm, add to collective knowledge or even better, open up opportunities for new product development. We don't have time for most of the bench seat racing and pictures posted of parts on the shelf. For most, all the great vendors and member contributions are enough to reach ascertainable goals. For those shooting beyond the moon, you gotta try, fail and report back. We're all standing on the shoulder of giants when it comes to high power " the easy way" these days. Longevity and reliability seemingly takes just as much luck as it does planning. There are other platforms that are more than likely able get you to where you want to be as has been mentioned before.

Sadly you already have a BP built, otherwise a turbo K swap might have been a good easy button.

I like that manifold btw.

OP dont word fight, prove with actions.

My non-pnp stand alone is under where the factory head light would be. I dont recommended it, already found it full of water once. But I'm waiting to get rid of the brake booster to move it into the cab, proper electronic bulkhead fittings are quite large and I figured if I made it so the engine could come out in 20 minutes I'd never have to pull it.

I'm running the LS truck coils since they're a known good item and I get them for $80 a set anywhere at any U-pull-it in the country. They just work and there's no fighting to figure out what car exactly you need to pull your coils from to get the right boot.

Not to mention Savington's baller settings are just a search away for the d585's. You don't need to second guess anything. Just transcribe the tables into haltec

Big turbo+ e85 +lots of lag = a good time

oh look, the ban button

This thread shall not die!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...da431c79cd.jpg

After some research and speaking to a few members about the quaife gear set it looks like it wont suffice for my goals. I'll probably use it to get the car running and basic tuning but it doesn't look to be suitable for track use over 300 wheel torque. most likely I'll make an adapter plate for a T56 close ratio transmission with a 8.8 diff. 4.10 gear. I know there's a new kit for a BMW ZF engine but the gearing in the T56 is more what I was looking for with cheap final dive gears in the 8.8 rear end and if I ever go LS it will bolt right up and handle 750 wheel torque if I ever get bored, throw a big ass turbo on and do a half mile event.

Ratios at 8000 rpm
2.66 50MPH
1.78 75MPH
1.3 103
1 134
.8 167
.63 212

Half mile, Great idea. The Miata will totes be stable at 200 mph.

It would take 1200whp+ for a miata to do 200 mph in a half mile. I'm sure Blackbird's elongated designs would work just fine at a half mile event.

:laugh:

So you want to buy a transmission that costs $1700-2000 alone and weighs an extra 70 lb. Then fabricate an adapter plate as well as all the other pieces to make them work together? All because that way you can eventually bolt an LS up to it and "throw" a big turbo on it and take it to the half mile? Am I getting that right? Not sure you fully realize how much effort, time, and money any of the ideas you've suggested will take.

Also, just as a heads up, the intake manifold on the LS is plastic and if you throw a big turbo at it it might crack.