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Old 09-05-2013, 06:32 PM   #1
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Hey guys,

I've been registered here for a while but I'm finally getting serious about turbocharing my car.

I've been reading a lot but I've got the feeling I don't even know half of it.

Right now I've been ordering some parts. My plan is to take it step by step.

I'm going to buy a Greddy Turbo for a nice price (manifold, turbo, intercooler and FMU) but after some research I want to get a MS ECU first.

My plan is to order the MS ECU, LC-1 wideband and AIT. Get that in the car, play around with it for a bit and then install the turbo kit and run some low boost.

When all that goes well I want to invest in a 1.8 drivetrain (torsen, 6 speed). The 1.8 brakes are allready underway.

My first question: where can I find some information about what MS to get? I allready got offered help soldering a DIY one, but I'm not sure about what one to get (MS1 or MS2)

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Old 09-05-2013, 08:27 PM   #2
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Will I blow your mind if I tell you there is also a MS3, and MS3x, and that you should get the MS3x because it's a sexy piece of electronics?

Will I also blow your mind if I tell you there is an entire website dedicated to explaining the differences between all the various Megasquirts?

Sit down before opening: Megasquirt Product Comparison

The wording didn't make it clear, are you getting and FMU and a MS? You only need the MS.

DIY is having a sale on the LC-1 http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/i...795-p-153.html. Although there is an LC-2 now.. LC-2 Wideband O2 Digital Air/fuel Ratio Controller

I like how sneaky you are asking where to find the answers instead of for the answers. Smart.

Also you have only met 1 of the criteria needed for a good intro thread. You need to supply cat pictures or pictures of gf.
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Looks like everything you were looking for was covered. Nice post ^
Except: I'm going to guess you have a 1.6? Don't expect that 1.6 turbo manifold to bolt up to the 1.8. You may end up changing more around than you want to if you build for a turbo 1.6 now and swap to 1.8 later.

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didn't read potentially silly questions

car looks sexy tho

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The wording didn't make it clear, are you getting and FMU and a MS? You only need the MS.
Yep but the FMU is included, it'll sit pretty on my shelf.

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Also you have only met 1 of the criteria needed for a good intro thread. You need to supply cat pictures or pictures of gf.


Thank you for the answers, There is allready a LC-1 onderway for me.
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Mattijn, congrats on signing up at the best site on the web!
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Thank you for the answers, There is allready a LC-1 onderway for me.
No problem. I really do suggest the MS3x. It's not much more than MS3/MS2/MS1 and the features are insane. Plus DIY assembly is pretty straight forward, if you need help I just finished mine and have plenty of pictures, etc..

You should at the very least get a Jim Stim 1.5 (found on diyautotune) if you aseemble the MS yourself so you can test the MS out before putting it on your car.

If you get the MS3x you can test the expander board with the JimStimX, but this isn't REALLY necessary, although it's a nice feature for peice of mind.
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The Ms1 is 207 dollar, and the Ms3 is 387. Am I looking wrong? If it's worth the extra money I get that. Looks like the android Bluetooth dongle for msdroid isn't compatible though :(
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That sounds about right, the MS3x is a bit more since you have to purchase the expander board too. Not sure about bluetooth as I prefer cable.

I guess it really depends on the features you want. If you have no desire for fully sequential and a very simple assembly then the extra cost might not be worth it to you.
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I will literally **** on your car if you don't go at least ms2.
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a complete ms3x solution will cost closer to $550 in parts.
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I will literally **** on your car if you don't go at least ms2.
If you bring a Ms3 with you you can **** on my car anyday
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If you bring a Ms3 with you you can **** on my car anyday
That's quote-worthy.
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Yeah, I've just polished it so it'll slide of right away.

If I understand correctly:

- MSX3 is more expensive but has a lot of features I won't use (support up to 12 cilinders)

- MS3 has a lot of cool stuff like SD card logging and USB stuff

- MS2 has good tunability but misses some of the gismo's and is a bit older than MS3

- MS1 is the cheapest but it has fewer options when it comes to tuning and is more tricky to tune. So when it comes to price it's a nice beginners ECU but because it isn't as 'easy' to tune it might be a bad choice. Plus Oscar will **** on my car.

For me, I think MS2 is the best choice. Seeing I want a nice turbo setup but nothing too extreme. And I am not on a unlimited budget.
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Have you looked at the MS3 Basic from MS Labs in our vendor's section? I want one badly.
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Welcome! car looks awesome!!!
Get AT LEAST the MS2. MS3x is sic, but if you dont really care about the extra features, may not be worth the money to you
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If you bring a Ms3 with you you can **** on my car anyday
I'm bringing you nothing. Except dookie of course

Go on and do some reading up on the differences. If you do decide on MS1, I might have some carbs and a dizzy for you instead.
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The MS3 basic is really nice, but it's like twice the price quoted of the other options here.
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Yeah, a simple MS2E or regular MS2 will work fine. Either a DIY PNP (already built) or a MSPNP will work fine. I have bought two used MS2's and they have both worked fine. The one on my car is a Braineack built DIYPNP, the other a MSPNP (off diyautotune) and they both work fine. If you buy them used expect to do a little bit of tinkering, but it's good learning experience.

Knowing what i know now, i think i'd be ready for a MS3x.

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Thank you. I've decided on the MS2. Now I'll just have to find the best place to get it
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