HALP! Tuning newb.
07-01-2013, 08:24 AM
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I know it seems like you are talking to yourself but you seem to be doing a great job of learning on your own. I would suggest that you hand tune the top of your table to make it richer before you go out and use VEAL. You don't want it to run too lean while you are in boost until VEAL corrects it. It would be better to be a little rich and let VEAL lean it out.
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07-03-2013, 12:18 AM
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I know it seems like you are talking to yourself but you seem to be doing a great job of learning on your own. I would suggest that you hand tune the top of your table to make it richer before you go out and use VEAL. You don't want it to run too lean while you are in boost until VEAL corrects it. It would be better to be a little rich and let VEAL lean it out.
I got lucky and my tuner is actually coming to visit me tomorrow so hopefully he'll be able to tap out even more awesomeness.
I kinda feel like my fuel table looks like dick-all but at least the car stays perfect around 11.5 afrs in every gear right up too 6500rpm. I'm running wastegate pressure so around 8psi. I creep a little bit after 5000rpms in 5th and 6th but my afrs still stay around 12.
It's so nice though! I feel like I have a new car! So much more drivable.
If anyone is interested in my progress, here's my latest msq. I'll see if I can get a new datalog up tomorrow.
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07-03-2013, 08:08 AM
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Yeah this is always a good idea. If your fuel map is in the 90%s up top and VEAL is bringing you up to say 130%, go ahead and make everything up top 130% and tune from there. Better to be pig rich and have VEAL pull some fuel than the other way around. Then you can work on smoothing out the transitions.
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07-03-2013, 03:30 PM
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Read below to learn why you didn't receive any more responses.
Good job figuring things out. If someone had held your hand you wouldn't have learned and retained as much knowledge. People helped where you needed it and things that could have hurt your car like letting it lean when tuning instead or enrichen while VEAL turning were pointed out.
Ok I've been learning stuffs and adjusting some things.
EDIT: Ok I adjusted things again now I'm idling perfect at 14.7.
I also drove the car around town a bit not really going more then 4000rpm. Seems to be riding ok. I let VEAL do some tuning and things seem to be getting better.
EDIT: Ok I adjusted things again now I'm idling perfect at 14.7.
I also drove the car around town a bit not really going more then 4000rpm. Seems to be riding ok. I let VEAL do some tuning and things seem to be getting better. Ok I figured out how to actually data log properly.. lol durrr... Didn't realize if you hit settings>start logging you could actually save the log as a .msl file and not just the .csv.
Tomorrow I'm going to try and get out on the highway and let VEAL do some work in the higher rpms. Though I still need to figure out why my laptop randomly keep disconnecting from my ecu after 10 minutes. I'm figuring it's something to do with the laptop and it's power settings.
Tomorrow I'm going to try and get out on the highway and let VEAL do some work in the higher rpms. Though I still need to figure out why my laptop randomly keep disconnecting from my ecu after 10 minutes. I'm figuring it's something to do with the laptop and it's power settings.
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07-03-2013, 10:29 PM
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just ran the calc for fuel required, and 4.7 about right for 1840cc/650cc/14.7afr
I am running 1890cc/525cc/14.0 and getting 6.3
latency, the delay in the system from the coil event to the actual spark is very car specific and is something that Dimitris cannot measure
measure/adjust using a timing light
1. check timing at idle, adjust to align crankshaft-pointer marks
2. have assistant rev engine to 4000 rpm, observe whether crankshaft-pointer marks are still aligned, adjust latency setting to align
I am running 1890cc/525cc/14.0 and getting 6.3
latency, the delay in the system from the coil event to the actual spark is very car specific and is something that Dimitris cannot measure
measure/adjust using a timing light
1. check timing at idle, adjust to align crankshaft-pointer marks
2. have assistant rev engine to 4000 rpm, observe whether crankshaft-pointer marks are still aligned, adjust latency setting to align
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07-04-2013, 02:45 AM
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just ran the calc for fuel required, and 4.7 about right for 1840cc/650cc/14.7afr
I am running 1890cc/525cc/14.0 and getting 6.3
latency, the delay in the system from the coil event to the actual spark is very car specific and is something that Dimitris cannot measure
measure/adjust using a timing light
1. check timing at idle, adjust to align crankshaft-pointer marks
2. have assistant rev engine to 4000 rpm, observe whether crankshaft-pointer marks are still aligned, adjust latency setting to align
I am running 1890cc/525cc/14.0 and getting 6.3
latency, the delay in the system from the coil event to the actual spark is very car specific and is something that Dimitris cannot measure
measure/adjust using a timing light
1. check timing at idle, adjust to align crankshaft-pointer marks
2. have assistant rev engine to 4000 rpm, observe whether crankshaft-pointer marks are still aligned, adjust latency setting to align
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07-04-2013, 07:25 AM
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oophs, coils don't initiate the spark event, the CAS and/or cam/crank sensors initiate the spark event; but addressing latency is still relevant
at idle, any delay [and there will be delay] from the SENSOR event and the spark event will have little impact on power; different story at higher revs, delay [latency] means the spark event actually occurs after the optimal spark time with a corresponding adverse impact on engine performance
the megasquirt latency adjustment just adjusts timing for the delay
not saying you will add 20-hp, but you may add 1 more angel [on the head of the pin]
at idle, any delay [and there will be delay] from the SENSOR event and the spark event will have little impact on power; different story at higher revs, delay [latency] means the spark event actually occurs after the optimal spark time with a corresponding adverse impact on engine performance
the megasquirt latency adjustment just adjusts timing for the delay
not saying you will add 20-hp, but you may add 1 more angel [on the head of the pin]
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07-05-2013, 01:01 PM
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oophs, coils don't initiate the spark event, the CAS and/or cam/crank sensors initiate the spark event; but addressing latency is still relevant
at idle, any delay [and there will be delay] from the SENSOR event and the spark event will have little impact on power; different story at higher revs, delay [latency] means the spark event actually occurs after the optimal spark time with a corresponding adverse impact on engine performance
the megasquirt latency adjustment just adjusts timing for the delay
not saying you will add 20-hp, but you may add 1 more angel [on the head of the pin]
at idle, any delay [and there will be delay] from the SENSOR event and the spark event will have little impact on power; different story at higher revs, delay [latency] means the spark event actually occurs after the optimal spark time with a corresponding adverse impact on engine performance
the megasquirt latency adjustment just adjusts timing for the delay
not saying you will add 20-hp, but you may add 1 more angel [on the head of the pin]
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07-07-2013, 07:37 PM
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Hey guys,
So I wired in the ebc I picked up from DIYAutotune and I'm wondering what parameters I need to set in TS to get it communicating with the ebc.
I did some searching and a lot of what i found concerning the ebc I think is outdated or another ms firmware.
Looks like this:
Mine looks like this:
Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can figure it out? I'm just not sure what I need to set for boost control location and pin etc...
Thanks
So I wired in the ebc I picked up from DIYAutotune and I'm wondering what parameters I need to set in TS to get it communicating with the ebc.
I did some searching and a lot of what i found concerning the ebc I think is outdated or another ms firmware.
Looks like this:
Mine looks like this:
Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can figure it out? I'm just not sure what I need to set for boost control location and pin etc...
Thanks
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07-13-2013, 03:03 PM
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Update:
I've got the ebc up and running thanks to rev pointing out a great 12v power source from the red/white wire in the MAF connector.
Playing around with the car at 10psi. Hopefully in the next few weeks I'll be able to make it over to my tuner's place so he ca dial in things for 12psi. I've got a few mechanical things I need to fix first and replace.
I've got the ebc up and running thanks to rev pointing out a great 12v power source from the red/white wire in the MAF connector.
Playing around with the car at 10psi. Hopefully in the next few weeks I'll be able to make it over to my tuner's place so he ca dial in things for 12psi. I've got a few mechanical things I need to fix first and replace.
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