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Old 08-16-2013, 02:22 AM   #1
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I'm following: 90-97 MS3 | Frank's Westfield MX5 90-97 MS3 |

But my setup is a tiny bit different so I wanted to clarify some things. (pin corresponds to the diagram below)

1. I plan to run full sequential, injectors and ignition. I have 4 ignitors that will use 4 spark outputs on the expansion. Do I use a tach output from the expansion to the gauge cluster for my gauge tach? Is that Pin 26 on the expansion?

2. Pin 30 can go to a switch, which then goes to ground which will allow data logging when the switch is grounded?

3. Found answer.

4. In the MS3 assembly in the link above, this:
Step 9: jumpers
- jumper S12C to JS9
- jumper TACHSELECT to VRIN
- jumper VROUT to TSEL

is just a wire going from each of these locations ON the actual MS3?

5. And same as above, this:
Part 3: Wiring
Step 1: flyback diodes
Install a 1N4001 with the banded side to 12V and the other side to the idle output of the MS3X (pin 9).
Install a 1N4001 with the banded side to 12V and the other side to the fan output of the MS3X (pin 1).
Install a 1N4001 with the banded side to 12V and the other side to the a/c fan output of the MS3X (pin ).

Is done on the actual harness NOT the ms3x? Also the fan output says pin 1... that is INJ G on the MS3x... Am I missing something here? Also I'm not using a/c, so I'm going to say there is no reason to install the 1N4001 for that?



Also one last thing... The transistors were a pain with the leads being so close. I had to repair some solder that jumped leads and the transistor got quite hot in the process. Should I be worried? I didn't apply heat for more than 5-6 seconds before letting it cool down. But it was def too hot to touch for a second or two.
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1. depends if your ignitors have a tach signal or not. If not (likely), use the MS tach output to drive your gauge.
2. yes, if you use that pin in the TunerStudio settings
3. great
4. yes, see pictures in my writeup
5. doesn't matter but I do it in the harness (actually on the connector) and not always on the pcb. The reason being that flyback currents can be high and it's not uncommon that they burn out a trace on the pcb. Thus play safe and do it on something that can handle high current (wiring / connector)
I'm using inj G as the fan output in my particular setup (and in the msq provided on my site). You may choose any free pin that you like (and can deliver at least 500mA).
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1. depends if your ignitors have a tach signal or not. If not (likely), use the MS tach output to drive your gauge.
2. yes, if you use that pin in the TunerStudio settings
3. great
4. yes, see pictures in my writeup
5. doesn't matter but I do it in the harness (actually on the connector) and not always on the pcb. The reason being that flyback currents can be high and it's not uncommon that they burn out a trace on the pcb. Thus play safe and do it on something that can handle high current (wiring / connector)
I'm using inj G as the fan output in my particular setup (and in the msq provided on my site). You may choose any free pin that you like (and can deliver at least 500mA).

Thank you. Your website has been a life saver. You rock.
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Can I assume:
- C1, C3, C18, C19, C239 (0.1F)

Is C23 and C29?

Don't see 29 on the layout, so I guess just 23.

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Yes, that's a typo. C23 is correct. C29 is not needed.
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Yes, that's a typo. C23 is correct. C29 is not needed.
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I'm using the Knock Sense and I have it mounted to the MS3 like so:


Is there a way I can wire in the K1 so it can be used with the DB37?


ALSO: Do they really only hold the MS3 board in with 2 screws? The third one on the other side seems very important. I evened out the two screws as best I could, but even so it's easy to lift the other side of the board up. Although I haven't mounted it yet in the case.. maybe it's better... but I think not because that is the side where the SD card is.
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You have plenty of options: Spare 1, 2, 3, 4, IAC1A, 1B, 2A, 2B.

i dont understand your last question. once the daughterboard is plugging in and screwed into the heatsink standoffs, it's not going anywhere.
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You have plenty of options: Spare 1, 2, 3, 4, IAC1A, 1B, 2A, 2B.

i dont understand your last question. once the daughterboard is plugging in and screwed into the heatsink standoffs, it's not going anywhere.
So I can just run the wire from K1 to SPR4 and then I can use the SPR4 output on the DB37 for the knock sensor?

The last question the MS3 board just seemed like there should be a support on the opposite side from the standoffs.
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correct.

the board was originally designed for the ms3. the 64 pin socket plus the two screws is enough. Don't worry about it.

One tip I have for you: when you assemble, loosely attach the expander and mainboard to the end plate and slide into the case. Then add the endplate on the sd/usb side and screw the end plates in. Then tighten the studs and dont overtighten them.
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Excellent. Hopefully I'll get to test this thing out on the stim today.
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you'll have to run your second trigger to pin 32 of the expander to get a sync.

Like such:

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How does that work if I built a JimStimX too. I still haven't done much research past building all these things, but getting there.

ALSO lol at the cat hair on that stim, that is what a miata turbo owner stim should look like.
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How does that work if I built a JimStimX too. I still haven't done much research past building all these things, but getting there.
Looks like you'd connect the jumper from the 2nd trigger of the stim to the cam pin of the stimx.


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ALSO lol at the cat hair on that stim, that is what a miata turbo owner stim should look like.
I wonder how that happened:

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Here are some photos. If anything looks wrong it's probably cause I really have no idea what I'm doing.





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you need u6 and c26-29 else the USB and/or serial port won't work.

are you going to install flyback didoes for idle control and boost control outputs somewhere on the board, or the harness?

and double check that c16,17,22 are all correct polarity.
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you need u6 and c26-29 else the USB and/or serial port won't work.

are you going to install flyback didoes for idle control and boost control outputs somewhere on the board, or the harness?

and double check that c16,17,22 are all correct polarity.
wut.. This wasn't anywhere in the Westfield guide.

On the harness

Triple checked and good.
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I noticed Frank had a verison of the components map with those omitted. I had an experience where u6 was damaged/shorted and the USB port didn't work. you're probably okay if it was simply omitted and not shorted/damaged in my case.

in any case, the serial port is disabled without those, just fyi.
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I noticed Frank had a verison of the components map with those ommited. I had an expereince where u6 was shorted and the USB port didn't work. It could be okay if it was simply pulled and not replaced.
Ah that makes sense. I'm still trying to understand the circuitry better so I know WHY I'm installing various things, and leaving others out. This is the first PCB I've assembled since high school so it's a bit of an adventure.
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haha.

actually, you're missing the vrout to tsel jumper.


and i cant tell but it appears you have the s12c jumper, but i can't see where it's going, possibly to js5 and not js9???
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