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Old 04-08-2015, 08:26 AM   #81
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and you have opto+ to 12v right?
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:24 AM   #82
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and you have opto+ to 12v right?
Yep that s right.
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:56 AM   #83
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I've never heard of a DIYPNP losing sync like that.

the crank signal goes in on the opto circuit and cam VR.

it appears your cam signal is getting out of whack every now and again--it's still reading it, but the pattern gets off. I'd almost want to look into the CAS.
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Old 07-30-2015, 11:24 AM   #84
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It's been a couple month, I have done a lot to try to figure out what is going on here with my MSII DIYPNP.

I swapped the CAS, resoldered VR2+ related connections on the unit, checked and cleaned ECU grounds, checked wiring and plug connection related to CAS. The problem still persist. Note, I am only getting drop in cam signal VR2+ and never crank from every composite log I have recorded. This seems to happen more consistently when some sensor is open circuited and then reconnected; Example my wideband 12V connector was loose and I got crazy amount of sync loss.

Finally, I bit the bullet and purchased a MS2PNP. No sync loss so far in conditions where I would definitely had before.

I took a look at the microsquirt schematic and it looks like the cam signal doesnt have any conditioner but the crank does have an optoisolator. Not sure if MS2PNP have any conditioner for cam signal, I would assume so.

94-95 miata doesnt seem like it has separate sensor ground (looking at the electrical schematics) unlike 90-93, I could be wrong. I am guessing maybe DIYPNP MSII suffers the same problem here. Just want to share what I went through so far and look for some opinions since I am pretty new so this megasquirt stuff.
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Old 07-30-2015, 11:36 AM   #85
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When you say DIYPNP MSII you just mean DIYPNP.

you dont mean the MSPNP2, correct?

if so, please just use DIYPNP, otherwise it's confusing. MSII is implied.




the cam signal on the DIYPNP goes through a MAX9926.

I've built literally hundreds of DIYPNPs and never heard of one once losing the cam signal. Not saying it can't happen, but it's unusal to me.

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When you say DIYPNP MSII you just mean DIYPNP.

you dont mean the MSPNP2, correct?


if so, pelase just use DIYPNP, otherwise it's confusing. MSII is implied.

Yes 100% correct. And got it.
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the cam signal on the DIYPNP goes through a MAX9926.
Is this on the microsquirt unit or the 1.5x diypnp board?

Edit: I am guessing it's on microsquirt because I been told that the 1.5x diypnp board has only a simple pullup circuit and then it feeds into VR2IN+ of the microsquirt, looking at the schematic of microsquirt, cam signal only goes through an opamp U10B and transistor Q7 then straight into the microcontroller.

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Old 07-30-2015, 12:26 PM   #88
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the microsquirt unit. U10 is a MAX9926.




yeah the DIYPNP connector board itself only provides the pullup for the signal, but the microsquirt itself has a vr conditioner.

it's supossed to be a pretty damn good conditioner too.
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the microsquirt unit. U10 is a MAX9926.



Matt from diypnp gave the rev 2 schematic from 2009. That version had no such chip on there. Looks like rev 3 2011 has it. I need to go see what rev my microsquirt unit is from.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:41 PM   #90
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oh interesting, i havent kept up with that. I didnt start building DIYPNPs until late 2009, i believe that was after that latest microquirt module version was already released.

now that I think about it, IIRC, the older version still went through a conditioner, but it was similar to like what the MS3 Expander board or v3.0/3.57 mainboard uses.

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Indeed I have 2009 version of the microsquirt. I purchased this in mid 2014...
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yeah, so the cam signal goes through that 16-pin max2296 conditioner on the top corner, just under the word "module"
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yeah, so the cam signal goes through that 16-pin max2296 conditioner on the top corner, just under the word "module"
That is not it. That is MAX3221 for DB9 serial communication. Look at the caps around it. It matches sheet 7/10 out of the REV2.0 schematics.
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so youre right. i just looked for the first 16-pin IC I saw. :P


here: http://www.msextra.com/doc/general/p...squirt_2_0.pdf

it's still going through the MC34072.

so the similar circuit we use on v3.0 and v3.57 mainboards.


that's what I thought it was using, but that docs screwed me up showing the MAX9926--i guess that's in the works?

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In V3.0 microsquirt, they revised this circuit. That leads me to believe they probably had some issues with applications with more noisy in the cam or crank signals. My DIYPNP works and gets the cam signal but just not all the time. The cam signal just seems fragile to other sensors.
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In V3.0 microsquirt, they revised this circuit.
in 2005.

and it wasn't revised it was added. the v2.2 provided no vr input cirucit whatsoever, just the single opto circuit (still used today in the Microsquirt).
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