Toyota COPs not working well when cold
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Try the capacitor and change out the ignition mod resistors to 270-330ohm. That'll make sure your COPs are getting what they're supposed to for voltage and signal. It could be part of what's causing the problem. I was originally thinking it could be a CAS problem, but it should happen with the stock coils. It's possible it's still the CAS signal and it's the fact that the stock coils charge over a longer period of time which causes less parasitic current draw allowing a cleaner signal. If that's the case, the capacitor should still fix it, but the filtering capacitor b/w JS8 and GND is still a good idea. If all else fails, add more grounds to everything.
Oh, and another thing, check your COP wiring harness. Make sure all the connections are clean and tight and there are no cold solder joints. Temperature can easily change how well it works if it's degraded in some way. Make sure the gauge of the wiring is correct for the application, too. If you used really tiny wire, that could be a problem.
Oh, and another thing, check your COP wiring harness. Make sure all the connections are clean and tight and there are no cold solder joints. Temperature can easily change how well it works if it's degraded in some way. Make sure the gauge of the wiring is correct for the application, too. If you used really tiny wire, that could be a problem.
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I will pull out my MS tomorrow and take a look at it and see what resistors I am using where. I am pretty sure that Scott and I have updated my MS to something somewhat recent. Not sure If I have upgraded to the Joe is Awesome and makes **** work mods yet.
I will also try to get a video of it running bad.
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Maybe the problem you're experiencing is different altogether. If your car sits for an extended period of time..overnight, maybe oil or coolant is seeping into the combustion chamber and when you start it, the engine is trying to burn off whatever is in the combustion chamber?
Sorry I haven't gotten a vid yet, raining out this morning and it looks like tomorrow morning is going to be to warm. Although I might try anyways.
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Maybe the problem you're experiencing is different altogether. If your car sits for an extended period of time..overnight, maybe oil or coolant is seeping into the combustion chamber and when you start it, the engine is trying to burn off whatever is in the combustion chamber?
The cas wiring idea is one i haven't considered. that would make sense why it worked before and now works like crap, maybe the wires moved around a little.
I'm probably just going to swap out the resistors and if that doesn't work just deal with it. my rotary is already rebuilt, i just need a few odd parts here and there before i swap it.
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Can you try this experiment. If you are sure you have hard starting every morning, do this.
One night, take your COPs out and keep them warm indoors. Plug them in in the morning, and see if you still have hard starting. This will rule out the COPs themselves as having a cold related issue.
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It doesn't. I wasn't trying to explain the cold hard start issue, just a general pointer.
Can you try this experiment. If you are sure you have hard starting every morning, do this.
One night, take your COPs out and keep them warm indoors. Plug them in in the morning, and see if you still have hard starting. This will rule out the COPs themselves as having a cold related issue.
Can you try this experiment. If you are sure you have hard starting every morning, do this.
One night, take your COPs out and keep them warm indoors. Plug them in in the morning, and see if you still have hard starting. This will rule out the COPs themselves as having a cold related issue.
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I've never had a problem with cold starts since I've fitted mine, I can start/idle the car without problems as low as 20*F, about the coldest I've ever tried. usually stays in a garage if it's that cold and never gets touched.
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final verdict:
- switched the cops for a stock coil and wires
- pulled plug #1, it was brown, didnt even check the other 3
- set the dwell back to where it needs to be for stock coils
- didn't change out the resistors on the megasquirt yet
- changed no other settings in megatune
car started on the second turn over while it was sleeting. I've since dailyed it with no problems at all. the missing issue is completely 100% gone.
I dont know what was up with my coils, maybe they were damaged? they were from a toyota tundra so their plug was off at different angle from the ones savington likes to use on his kit he used to make. their appearance is exactly the same as the coils everyone else uses though, and they were wired on the same pins. I dunno.
- switched the cops for a stock coil and wires
- pulled plug #1, it was brown, didnt even check the other 3
- set the dwell back to where it needs to be for stock coils
- didn't change out the resistors on the megasquirt yet
- changed no other settings in megatune
car started on the second turn over while it was sleeting. I've since dailyed it with no problems at all. the missing issue is completely 100% gone.
I dont know what was up with my coils, maybe they were damaged? they were from a toyota tundra so their plug was off at different angle from the ones savington likes to use on his kit he used to make. their appearance is exactly the same as the coils everyone else uses though, and they were wired on the same pins. I dunno.