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Old 01-02-2012, 06:49 PM   #21
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Is anyone running launch control with MS? Im wondering how you have it set up and what the logic is in your setup. The diagram i have says to use a momentary switch. is that the clutch pedal or a push button in the dash? Ive also seen the guy on youtube that runs an on/off switch for launch. does this mean he has to turn the switch off to have his normal rev limit after he dumps the clutch or does the VSS tell the ecu that its moving and to raise the limit even with the switch on?
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yes. I just use TPS and the clutch switch.

Its better with the VSS hooked up. the on/off switch helps make sure it doesn't activate when driving and shifting, but the vss filter solves that.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #23
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yes. I just use TPS and the clutch switch.

Its better with the VSS hooked up. the on/off switch helps make sure it doesn't activate when driving and shifting, but the vss filter solves that.
Cool thanks.

So im going to refer to this for VSS.
https://www.miataturbo.net/showthrea...&highlight=vss

and Ill do this for the launch control circuit. (See attached)
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:52 PM   #24
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perfect. but I dont think you really need the override switch once the VSS filter is in place...unless you really want to rev your throttle to impress the ladies at stoplights.

fwiw, launch and vss have spots ready to go in the ms3x board without building anything.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:16 PM   #25
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fwiw, launch and vss have spots ready to go in the ms3x board without building anything.
I knew there was something for launch but i wasnt for sure on the vss. from what i've seen so far i'd need to use one of the 4 data inputs and the only one i have left is the nitrous switch. I read somewhere there is an output on the back of the gauge cluster on '90 miatas that isnt used and can tie into the ms3. Ill look more into this.
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yeah, you have to pull the coverted digital signal off the cluster. I plan to do that this spring.
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Okay I think im all read up on the VSS signal. This is what i've come up with. Ive referenced a few threads that said tapping into the RSW signal didnt work but they never mentioned building in the 5V pull up.



Does anyone foresee any issues with me using the TPS VREF 5V signal for the Cam position sensor, VSS source pull up, and the TPS source?

I've been doing alot of reading and im learning alot here guys. Thanks for the help!
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If you use the ms3x inputs you don't have to put a pull up on the line... There already is one on those inputs (check the ms3x schematic if you don't believe me, nitrous 1 doesn't have the pullup by default, but can be jumpered on the ms3x board to have one). I'm using the VSS signal from the gauge cluster, it comes out right at the harness and is soldered straight onto a ms3x input pin.

edit: Also, I think in general 1-2.2k is a little low for a pull up, think 4.7k or higher. moot point but anyway
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just jump JP8 on the ms3x card... instant 2.2K pull-up to 12v.

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If you use the ms3x inputs you don't have to put a pull up on the line... There already is one on those inputs (check the ms3x schematic if you don't believe me, nitrous 1 doesn't have the pullup by default, but can be jumpered on the ms3x board to have one). I'm using the VSS signal from the gauge cluster, it comes out right at the harness and is soldered straight onto a ms3x input pin.

edit: Also, I think in general 1-2.2k is a little low for a pull up, think 4.7k or higher. moot point but anyway
You just need to make sure you have js9 jumpered to s12c or something to provide the pull-up resistance. I forgot to do that and it made mine not work for a while.
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12v to js9, provides the 12v to the MSx card.

you'll still need to jump JP8 on the MSx card to provide the pullup on the nitro in circuit.
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You just need to make sure you have js9 jumpered to s12c or something to provide the pull-up resistance. I forgot to do that and it made mine not work for a while.
This what you guys are talking about? Id like to use SPARE ADC if possible.. that way i can leave the nitrous pin open for meth in the future..
see attached.
"R65,R66,R67 are optional 'bias' resistors on the analogue inputs EXT_MAP, EGO2, SPARE_ADC respectively. These would be typically used when connecting a resistive temperature sensor to one of the inputs. For standard calibration, use a 2.49K resistor with a GM style coolant or air temperature sensor."

source: http://www.msextra.com/doc/ms3/hardware.html
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Old 01-06-2012, 01:52 PM   #33
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Go to this link and it is step 23.
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Go to this link and it is step 23.
WTF! Where was this manual when i assembled my board?! I'm gonna have to go through all these steps and double check everything.

Thanks Shuiend.
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I don't think the spare ADC inputs will work. Only Launch, datalog, nitro, tableswitch.

you don't need nitro in for meth.
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Old 01-06-2012, 06:52 PM   #36
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Ben Berusch of DIY autotune responding to the use of SPARE ADC.=

"There are about a dozen different pins you can use for the launch input. I don't know if it needs external pullup or not. Try it, and if it doesn't work, then add a pullup."

frustrating...

I opened the case to see whats up and this is what i have..





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just jump JP8 on the ms3x card... instant 2.2K pull-up to 12v.

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12v to js9, provides the 12v to the MSx card.

you'll still need to jump JP8 on the MSx card to provide the pullup on the nitro in circuit.
Maybe i should just listen to Braineack from the get go..

Brain, did you mean JS8 to the JS9/S12C node?

I need to use the shaft speed settings then and leave the vehicle speed sensor settings set to off. (that's where i was thinking i could use spare adc)


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Also take a look at the bottom of the board. I used jumpers from Tach select and VRIN and VROUT (seen center and next to MAP sensor.) Im using a ford hall effect sensor (cam angle sensor 2 wire) as my crank angle sensor to watch missing tooth. I built this under the impression that i was going to use a VR sensor but ended up with the hall instead.
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no jp8.
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use on of those IAC input pins. looks like you can use js0 or js2... you'll have to add the pull-up then.
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no jp8.
aah My bad i thought you were talking about modding the main board. Looks to me like there already is a jumper on mine.



This mean i should disregard this?
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use on of those IAC input pins. looks like you can use js0 or js2... you'll have to add the pull-up then.
and just hook up the NITROUS IN to RSW?

FYI i also have the same jumper in JP3 (Tacho output pullup (not using)), and JP7 (Cam input pullup (using currently with 3 wire CAS 1 ground, 1 5V source from TPS VREF and signal to ecu via CAM INPUT wire.))
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nitro in to rsw would just be too easy for you
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