Basic MS3 - Now available from MS Labs!
 

We all love pictures, so here goes:

- 2001 - 2005 and 2004 - 2005 MSM
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1410462229

- 1990-1993 1.6L and 1994-1997 1.7L for other regions.
- 1994-1995 1.8L
- 1996-1997 1.8L
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1410462229

- Direct fit, no cables to cut or splice
- MS3 processor
- Standard 21psi of boost MAP sensor
- 4 injector outputs
- 4 ignition outputs
- Idle control
- Electronic boost control
- Coolant fan control
- Condenser fan control
- A/C control and idle-up
- Tachometer output
- VICS/VTCS control
- Alternator control (99-05)
- Battery light control (99-05)
- VSS input (94-05)
- VVT control
- CEL control
- 2 or 3 spare programmable outputs
- 4 spare digital inputs
- 5 spare analog inputs (oil pressure, oil temperature, other 0-5V sensors)
- Knock module installed as standard
- RTC module installed as standard, complete with battery

For those of us who are confused by your obvious mental and physical superiority, could you please put together a quick chart comparing the features of your currently available ECUs?

Example: Megasquirt Product Comparison but actually readable.

MS Labs Enhanced MS2 -vs- MS Labs Basic MS3 -vs- MS Labs Enhanced MS3

:party:

Will do!

so this is MS3 with a custom expansion board?

Oo! Would that mean that its upgrade-able to baller Enhanced MS3 status in the future?

...that can work out of the box for all 90-05 Miatas, yes. Includes the knock, RTC modules/functionality, alternator control, battery light control, CEL, etc.

Not really. The Enhanced MS3 will be a totally different beast.

Bauce!

I think I found my X-MAS gift to myself. So tell me Rev, what reasons keep me holding out for an MS3 Enhanced for my NB01 versus going with this beauty?

1) Cost. The Basic MS3 is CHEAP, the Enhanced MS3 will be more like $1200-$1500.
2) Availability. The Basic MS3 is here now, the Enhanced MS3 is still pending due to licensing.

I had deduced that much LOL.

Could you, theoretically, replace the expansion board with a regular MS3X board?
Just a question, since there's hardly a reason to do so.

The pinout is different, but if you rewire the top DB37 connector, yes, you could.

Rev,

Will your basic MS3 come with an optional wideband module like the enhanced MS3?

That's the only thing missing from your basic MS3 and is the only thing stopping it from being a must have for me.

Yeah that's what I assumed.
Awesomesauce! Going to point all my friends to this.

No, that goes way beyond the scope of the Basic concept.

Ordered :)

:vash: Darn you, Rev!

I'll probably order it anyways, assuming you build harnesses to the specific customer?

Correct!

Excuse my MS noobness. I want to take a dive into the land of megasquirt.

What is the difference between ms3x, ms3 enhanced, and this basic ms3 being spoken of in this thread?

Where do I go to order this?

This unit is PNP into my miata? I'm assuming so due to talks of DB37 connectors...

The Basic MS3 is (functionality wise) like an MS3X/MS3X combo, but it also has upgraded hardware components and the required digital alternator control/smart battery light for the 99-05. It is a direct fit for any 90-05 Miata.

PM me for your order.

You may win the monthly baklava give away where one lucky customer wins a philo pastry with purchase!!!!

ms3x is the basic offering from B&G. This is typically a v3.0 mainboard, a ms3 daughterboard and a ms3x expander board.

this MS3 basic from Rev, is the same thing, but he designed his own expander board to build better circuits into it. Still a v3.0 mainboard and still a ms3 daughterboard.

There is little difference between the two. (Rev please correct me if I'm wrong)


the MS3 enhanced is something Reverant has designed from the ground up using his own PCB for the ms3 or ms2 daughterboard, with custom firmware to match. This comes with hardware and firmware improvements. He's working on a licensing deal to get this offering out to market.


Eeverything built by Reverant is a PNP and you can deal with him directly to customize your build or discuss the vairous options in megasquirts that he can assemble for you.

For those of us out of the loop, what features will the enhanced MS3 have over the basic?

cappuccino maker.

If you are not interested in the knock and RTC modules, then I dont think you will be interested in any of the other features as well.

What's RTC used for?

Time stamps on SD card datalogging.

for the cappuccino machine...it needs a timer.

... meanwhile a godless soul just waits in a corner like an orphan in tatters..

ERFor us ecu retards, what are some key different FEATURES (relevent to turbo miiatas) this has compared to the ms3x expansion card? Brain said this one was "better" but how is it better?

-rev plugs straight in
-rev has alternator switch for later models built in
-ms3x has contols for more injectors (not really relevant to the average build)
-???

Here's a comparison sheet (Basic MS2 - Enhanced MS2 - Basic MS3 - MS3/MS3X - Enhanced MS3)

MS Labs ECU Comparison Sheet

So - where is the "Enhanced MS3 - Now available from MS Labs!" - Thread... :yippee:

The basic unit has many more features than I had realized. What a bargain. What an amazing bargain.

Dimitris, there are footnotes missing from the chart, btw.

No footnotes.

For example:

VSS VR input(s): Y (2)

This means Yes, two of them.

SO MUCH WIN! Thank you Rev! :love:

What does the * stand for in your chart? Primarily looking at the one on the Basic MS3 under the "Full A/C Support" column?

In that specific case it means "partial" (in other cases it means conditional etc). I consider the A/C system in the MS3 incomplete and it lacks several important features. For instance, there is no minimum or maximum RPM for the A/C operation, adjustable time delay for each fan and the A/C clutch.

Thanks, I was wondering what the difference between "A/C Compressor output" + "A/C Switch input" vs "Full A/C Support" and likewise for power steering because I am a girly man with T-Rex arms. I guess I will just have to wait.

Hold the phone, your MS3 enhanced is going to have OBD II and nobody else is excited? Does that mean I can leave it on and go get faux emissions tested here where they just hook up to OBDII? That would be exactly what I have been waiting for!

No, it won't pass state emissions. This is intentional, I don't want to piss off the feds and the EPA.

Just because you don't need footnotes, doesn't mean that we can understand what you mean without making the footnotes in this thread instead as you're doing. You did make the chart.

Yeeeep. Perfect. Just waiting for enhanced.

Edit: Posting while Rev did. Damnit. Let's just hope there's an offroad use only setting in ECU to make it pass.

Nuts, but good point. OK, MS3 it is. I'll be PM'ing this weekend Dear Mr. Rev. I do want some Baclava with my MS3!

its not going to pass obdii no matter. not the point of it.

I think the point of the OBDII is you can use the OBD port as an aux gauge with your phone and all that entails.

Not to pass your weird emissions inspections you have over there.

Just about to Pay Rev for a basic MS3.... Can't wait!

This. Easy to use output for seeing realtime data on a myriad of OBD-II readers, as well as fault codes using the MS3 CEL framework.

Again, you will NOT pass state OBD-II inspection with this feature. This is not what it is designed for.

What will the price go up to after Dec 31st, Rev?

I'll be buying a basic MS3 in the next few months definitely, just trying to figure out when now.

Around 15%. Will depend on the exchange rate.

Does this mean your price for an EnhancedMS2 may be going down ?

Highly unlikely. The Enhanced MS2 has more components and is more difficult to assemble and test versus the Basic MS3.

great deal for ms3

gtfo stupid spammin n00b bitch

Reverant, could you clear your inbox? Trying to PM you.

Inbox cleared.

Please tell me more about the traction control feature. I assume I need to upgrade certain componenets on the car to ABS parts, but what else will be required to take advantage of this feature and how does it work. Thanks!

For the '99?

Rev, I recently bout a basic MS3 from you for the MSM. Does it have the OBDII integrated in it? Bought it in December 2012

yes, for my 99

No, none of my ECUs has OBD-II yet.