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JasonC SBB 06-07-2009 12:47 PM

EPIC nuts/studs loosening thread (reposting stupid stuff without reading = warning)
 
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Splitime 06-07-2009 12:58 PM

Me.

miatamania 06-07-2009 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 416532)
Me.

How.

Splitime 06-07-2009 01:02 PM

I just tightened it all... and checked them after a heat cycle.

Thats it. Random nuts/studs/bolts from a bolt box pile :p

Savington 06-07-2009 01:29 PM

What are your laptimes in comparison to Spec Miatas on the same track?

kotomile 06-07-2009 02:06 PM

Do you run a gasket between mani and turbo, Splitime?

This is probably completely misguided, and I'll probably be proven wrong in short order, but I just thought of a little theory that I'll run by you engineer types.

So, people say that it's not just vibration which loosens nuts, but also the thermal expansion of the metal. So, in a gasketless connection, there is nothing to compress so the metal simply grows and pushes the nut loose. With a gasket, there's something to compress and the nuts stay put.

Be gentle guys. :giggle:

Splitime 06-07-2009 02:30 PM

No gasket.

So far the ONE single clean lap time I have vs spec miatas is I'm a second faster? No footage from later even more comfortable sessions... still learning car etc... but yah, ~1-2 seconds below spec miata times I've found.

y8s 06-07-2009 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 416555)
Do you run a gasket between mani and turbo, Splitime?

This is probably completely misguided, and I'll probably be proven wrong in short order, but I just thought of a little theory that I'll run by you engineer types.

So, people say that it's not just vibration which loosens nuts, but also the thermal expansion of the metal. So, in a gasketless connection, there is nothing to compress so the metal simply grows and pushes the nut loose. With a gasket, there's something to compress and the nuts stay put.

Be gentle guys. :giggle:

I would say more that the heat expansion stretches the bolts and then when it cools again the nuts are loose even though nothing's turned.

but once you get to that point, it's a losing battle.

neogenesis2004 06-07-2009 03:32 PM

do all you cats with loosening bolts have cast manifolds?

Splitime 06-07-2009 03:51 PM

SS stainless tubular...

miatamania 06-07-2009 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 416587)
do all you cats with loosening bolts have cast manifolds?

Greddy FTL.

neogenesis2004 06-07-2009 06:08 PM

I'm betting that most or all of the people with this issue are running cast manifolds.

y8s 06-07-2009 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 416635)
I'm betting that most or all of the people with this issue are running cast manifolds.

higher rate of thermal expansion?

neogenesis2004 06-07-2009 06:12 PM

I'm not a mechanical engineer so I won't guess at reasons. I just have excellent intuition :)

Splitime 06-07-2009 06:35 PM

You mean a cast manifold and a cast turbine housing both expanding might stretch a stud?

hustler 06-07-2009 06:42 PM

I've noticed that all my BEGi supplied bolts that had the deformation on the end to grip the stud, all can be spun off by hand.

Titanium?
Resmond 907 threadlocker?
Inconel hardware?

some combonation of all that shit?

neogenesis2004 06-07-2009 06:53 PM

If the issue is not the studs themselves then no form of space age metal will help you.

hustler 06-07-2009 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 416666)
If the issue is not the studs themselves then no form of space age metal will help you.

are we fighting thermal expansion or vibration? Spacemetal may help one of those. If we can find a stud material that will stretch equal to the mild steel or cast iron, then all we have to do is safety-wire for vibration.

y8s 06-07-2009 07:29 PM

nitinol studs?

neogenesis2004 06-07-2009 08:04 PM

Why not just go for adamantium while we are at it?


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