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Chilicharger665 04-07-2016 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by BlueFireIce (Post 1321854)
Really depends on Joe, he told me to expect up to 15 days for install if he doesn't have much in front of me. If it was not for work and losing access to the lift I always used, I would be spending all weekend and be done with it myself. But with Joes install I know he will do a good job and I will have a running car with a dyno plot in hand when I pick it up, so it works out I guess. I am just not a very patient person.

Some time next year after caging and all, I will be taking it back to him for a built 2.5 swap if all works out. I have some other small items that need to be taken care of first.

What year is your NC? I was at his shop last Friday, so did I see your car there? You are going to run the stock 2.0 until you blow it up and then go for a 2.5?

BlueFireIce 04-07-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1321897)
What year is your NC? I was at his shop last Friday, so did I see your car there? You are going to run the stock 2.0 until you blow it up and then go for a 2.5?

True Red 2009, black RPF-1s and a Blackbird Fabworks lexan spoiler on the back. And yes, it is at his shop, dropped it off a few weeks ago in case my kit shipped out, I don't think he has even touched it just yet.

I will be running the stocker for a bit, I hope to God I don't pop it, would really rather not risk such a pricey turbo while pushing the motor, as a new turbo is about half the cost of the built 2.5, I would kick myself for such a stupid waist of money. Trying to figure out drive train options before I go with the 2.5, as I have the 5spd, already swapped in an O.S. Giken LSD, I just need to figure out the transmission, end goal is 400+.

albuquerquefx 04-07-2016 04:57 PM

Well, if it's 15 days out, then I'll (hopefully!) still beat you to the punch then :) At the outset, I'm running identical setup to FAB's car, so I requested the tune from Joe and offered the suggestion to simply copy-pasta if it makes sense.

I'm hoping to get it on all four tires at the end of this coming weekend. We shall see...

BlueFireIce 04-07-2016 05:07 PM

I hope its only a week out (the bottom side of his estimate), or less, maybe he had time to tear it down and get it ready ahead of time? Yeah...being wishful here. If I was not working the weekend I would drive over there and help get it ready.

Leafy 04-07-2016 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by BlueFireIce (Post 1321913)
I just need to figure out the transmission, end goal is 400+.

Theres still the nuclear option, quad4rods bell housing + astro gear t5 + custom clutch + custom tranny mount + custom driff mount - PPF.

BlueFireIce 04-08-2016 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1322039)
Theres still the nuclear option, quad4rods bell housing + astro gear t5 + custom clutch + custom tranny mount + custom driff mount - PPF.

Pretty sure the Nuke option is the Quaife G69, they said for about 10-11k they will do custom bellhousing etc to make a kit for the NC, and Xtrac already has a kit for the NC, but they come in at 18k a pop, I think both are rated to 750ft/lb+ and both are sequential 6spds. Bit outside of my current budget.

albuquerquefx 04-08-2016 10:24 AM

Sheeeit, for 11k I might sign up for the Quaife.

In two or three years.

:likecat:

BlueFireIce 04-08-2016 10:37 AM

Well, they have 4 kits for the NA/NB, using their G60 trans, more or less just like the G69 but only rated for 375ft/lb. Those, for a drop in trans are around 9k, they said cost of trans plus about 2k for the custom bellhousing and custom propshaft as the G69 uses a flange. So I assumed worst case 10-11k. I could do that in a year, but I would have to put off moving and buying a house by the start of next year along with other planned mods like the cage etc etc.

Even fully custom setup, the T56 would be the far cheaper option, the T56 it self is super cheap, even built ones, and other than the custom work for the PPF and the adapter, there is not much added cost.

Chilicharger665 04-08-2016 12:29 PM

If you are going to a huge ass transmission like a T56, just put a LS in front of it...

Oh and I did see your car at Joe's. It looks like it will be a great car!

Chilicharger665 04-08-2016 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1322039)
Theres still the nuclear option, quad4rods bell housing + astro gear t5 + custom clutch + custom tranny mount + custom driff mount - PPF.

I wish I knew how build and weld things. With how cheap the factory 2.5's are from Mazda, a tube frame HPDE car built with a factory 2.5, a turbo kit, that T5, and a A-arm suspension all around would be awesome.

BlueFireIce 04-08-2016 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1322153)
If you are going to a huge ass transmission like a T56, just put a LS in front of it...

Oh and I did see your car at Joe's. It looks like it will be a great car!

Considering the amount of power you need to require the T56, a few pounds low and center of mass will not do much to the handling of the car. I would also take a car with 500HP and 60-70lbs over a 350HP car that's 60-70lbs lighter. I think it's a pretty fair trade off for a very beefy and reliable drive train. Though I would agree, with how much I have spent, I probably should have just gone with a LS swap!

Thanks! It has alot of work ahead, once it gets back and I break it in it will be getting repainted, all badges are getting shaved and the front nose pimple will be removed, wheels are getting powder coated back and not just plasti dipped. I have some LX1 seats going in and harnesses, cage, stripping out just about everything, debating on if I will leave the dash and AC or not...It is Texas after all :rofl:

By the time it's "finished" with whatever trans I get and 2.5, will probably be another 2 years. :burncash:

Chilicharger665 04-09-2016 10:37 AM

You can't run the stock rear end stuff with a T56 (AFAIK) so you have to swap out the rear end, too, and that will add a chunk of weight.

BlueFireIce 04-09-2016 11:27 AM

Can't think of a single reason you can't. Even if you run another rear end, weight gain to HP gain is nothing, and would actually help weight distribution.

FAB 05-04-2016 04:15 PM

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Alright guys - We've been up to our necks in orders this past month. We have yet to officially advertise this kit and orders keep coming in.

3 more kits shipping out this week and in further development we've decided to move forward with a 3" Oval Stainless Tubing exhaust system. This is a bear of a car to put a quality LARGE exhaust on due to the odd bends and factory braces. The round one results were a bit loud for my taste so we're reverting back to a dual tip design.

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BlueFireIce 05-04-2016 05:04 PM

Looking good Bryan. Can't wait till I get my 3" from you guys. By dual tip, am I correct in assuming you will be adding a muffler to the system now and not just the resonator? And it will no longer be a single passenger side exit but now a dual tip exit?

FAB 05-12-2016 03:41 PM

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More updates - So we're going to have a catted system. The open exhaust causes issues with boost creep. It's only +/- 1 or 2 psi but with this engine and turbo efficiency ~2 psi could mean the end of a stock bottom end.

The exhaust features:
- Full tig welded construction
- Full stainless material
- V Band Assembly
- High Flow Cat
- Stainless Turbo Flex Pipe
- Dual exit and dual wall 3.5" tips that fill the bumper opening perfectly
- Round to Oval transitions for ground clearance

Sounds incredible and it does this without freeway drone, we are very pleased with the results. But it's not cheap to produce. As this will be the only full 3" system on the market that allows you to keep your under carriage bracing we really didn't have a choice on the materials and quality was a must. Estimated cost +/- $1250 with very little room to cover labor.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1463082104

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Girz0r 05-12-2016 03:44 PM

Looks fantastic!

FAB 06-01-2016 02:22 PM

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Thanks guys - We've been up to our necks over here!

The exhaust systems just became a bit more difficult to produce. Initially we intended on using our shop NC to jig the first few for a quick turn around time and after the first 5 units were completed and shipped we'd then fabricate a proper jig to keep things accurate.

Then, in proper male fashion I couldn't leave things alone and I foolishly upped the boost on our stock 2.0 engine. The first couple of pulls were glorious - nice warm night and the rear wanted to walk out in 2nd and 3rd even with our big drag radials. Tossed a rod through each side of the block very shortly after.

We're going to build a 2.5L to get her back on the road but for now we were forced to properly jig these exhaust systems. One has been produced for Nathan and unfortunately I can't toss it in the mail until we have the first 3 completed (hopefully today). I want to verify consistency and repeat-ability.

In the spirit of keeping you guys entertained here are some progress shots along with my opportunity to brag that even though I run the business I can still weld :cool:

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FAB 06-13-2016 12:10 PM

Hey guys, thank you for the kind messages - For those not up to speed, I low sided my R6 over the weekend on a nice sweeping turn. Ate it pretty hard, but with any motorcycle accident I'm happy to have walked away breathing.

Outside of the usual road rash I have a broken collar bone and a number 3 AC separation. From what I understand my collar bone is basically no longer connected and supporting my shoulder. I likely go in for surgery this Thursday and I'm hoping for the fastest recovery possible. Way too much on my plate to start our busy season with one arm. As for the kits, luckily I finished the intercooler welding the day before and they only need to be packed up. I'll keep Joe in the loop since it looks like all 3 are going to his location.

turbofan 06-14-2016 02:51 PM

Damn man, that sucks. Best wishes for a quick recovery.

FAB 12-01-2016 06:32 PM

Big thanks to the community - This next batch is complete and we couldn't be more pleased with how well this kit is performing. Quality is what sells it, outside of this thread we've done VERY little marketing and I'm sure we've shipped more NC kits this year than any one manufacturer.

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d k 12-01-2016 08:50 PM

Just curious

why did you choose the aluminum chra?
the weight difference is only a couple of pounds but if you lose cooling to the aluminum one - you have to throw it away..

borka 12-02-2016 09:47 AM

Manifolds look great.

looking forward on ordering some engine internals in the future

FAB 12-02-2016 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by d k (Post 1378519)
Just curious

why did you choose the aluminum chra?
the weight difference is only a couple of pounds but if you lose cooling to the aluminum one - you have to throw it away..

This is a good question - The aluminum does a better job of dissipating heat and yes, it's lighter but that's not a great place for major weight savings if it were the only benefit. It's my understanding that nearly any loss of coolant on a water cooled turbo will result in rather quick failure, regardless of the housing material. Beyond the very early development of the aluminum supercore I don't think there have been recorded issues in this area.

aidandj 12-02-2016 11:22 AM

The non aluminum housings can be run without water. The water is important for cool down.

According to the EFR training when you aren't running water then take care during cool down.

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FAB 12-02-2016 11:30 AM

Great info, thanks! I wouldn't recommend running either of them without water on a street car and I think the reasons are obvious. "Turbo compassionate cool down procedures" sound like something I'm not interested in explaining to a customer who just purchased a very well polished, daily drivable system for their nice Miata. Additionally I could see that being a major player in how well Borg handles your warranty if a failure occurs.

aidandj 12-02-2016 11:34 AM

I definitely agree. But loss of water shouldn't cause death.

d k 12-02-2016 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1378611)
I definitely agree. But loss of water shouldn't cause death.on the iron ones


Fixed it for you

FAB 12-09-2016 08:55 PM

Ok guys, it seems like every time we "stock up" on these kits we are wiped clean of them. Time to step up our production game.. Here's what 200lbs of flange blanks looks like.

https://c8.staticflickr.com/1/755/31...3685dc07_z.jpg

Financing keeps coming up in conversation so we're offering the following. Seemed to work well with our per-production guys.

Instead of placing your order online:
-Create an account on our site
-Contact me at Products@Fab9Tuning.com with your requested configuration details
-I will collect a smaller deposit for producing the kit
-The total amount will be requested upon completion but it's not required, take your time.

If you have any questions please let me know. We have 5 customers that are currently doing this. If you need substantially more time after your kit is complete we will notify you if we have someone is in line that is ready to complete their purchase. You can say "sure, ship it to them" or "Nope, I'd like to keep my kit allocated".

Cheers,
Bryan

FAB 12-09-2016 08:55 PM

Two more kits being packed up now...

I've said this in the past, if you guys have a color scheme you'd like to sustain I'm happy to accommodate, go to Prismatic Powders and ship your powder to us. ZERO additional charge for this...

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Leafy 12-10-2016 09:06 PM

I hope one of those flanges could be mine.

FAB 12-12-2016 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1380483)
I hope one of those flanges could be mine.

I'll get you one carved up this week.

Joe this one is for you, or at least your making Christmas a whole hell of a lot cooler for one of your customers.

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We're waiting on custom powder coat for another kit and it's hitting the mail too! Seems like we can't make these fast enough.

FAB 12-23-2016 02:15 PM

Video is now LIVE - Click below to check it out! Had a lot of fun working with CZero on this, hope you guys enjoy.

LINK - CLICK HERE

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On another note, here we've got a custom coating order that we just finished up and man, these look good.

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FAB 02-08-2017 07:27 PM

Holy stainless, Batman! I don't know how it's possible but John is raising the welding quality bar, again. I finally wrapped up these intercoolers and charge pipes so one welding/farmers tan later, the light is GREEN for shipping!

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Fireindc 02-08-2017 10:51 PM

Jesus dude. And now I want an NC. Thanks for the video.

z31maniac 02-10-2017 12:34 PM

Stop with the PRON!

FAB 03-22-2017 04:00 PM

It's been a minute since our last update, as usual.. playing catch up. I just wanted to mention that I love this competitive attitude coming from both Joe and Jay - I truly believe it's making each of them better tuners.

Tuning an NC with this system on it is absolutely different than anything either of these guys has seen before, MORE power that happens EARLIER in the power band than anything each of them have touched.

Both albuquerquefx and twenzel seem to be thrilled with their results and I just wanted to take the time to commend each of these tuners for kicking some serious butt over the past 3 months or so.

Those of you who would like to remain on a MAF, we've followed the request of Jay and produced a 3.5" intake that will be offered as an optional configuration. If you're tuning with Joe, he's comfortable with speed density and seems to prefer the 3" intake that comes standard.

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