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Fab9Tuning's NC MX-5 Turbo Kit Discussion- EFR/Garrett V-Band
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We're currently in possession of a 2006 MX-5 (customer vehicle) and just a few nights ago we picked up our own NC (white sport package).
With the success of our previous NA/NB EFR/Garrett V-Band Side Mount turbo system we've decided to repeat the process on the NC platform. These will NOT be entry level, will NOT be mild steel budget kits that simply "work", we've set out to produce a premium kit with top quality components at a price that wont break the bank. Full stainless, schedule construction that flows inside as good as it looks on the outside. All three of the first vehicles will be using the EFR 6758 V-Band Internally Gated, Internal BOV turbocharger. The 2006 is a 2.5 swapped car, we've designed the flange with larger ports to accommodate each 2.0L and 2.5L with the maximum flow - with 1/2" Stainless construction. Features: • Precision tig welded, fully back-purged • Full Stainless Construction • Thick Sch40 primaries (321 is stabilized with Titanium for the ultimate in crack resistance) • 0.500” CNC’d Flange • Smooth round Port Transitions • High Flow Merge Collector • Bottom Mount AC + PS Compatible Design • No cutting or modification of the engine bay • Entire setup ships under our $9 shipping program (Continental US) • Premium Bar/Plate FMIC with full aluminum charge pipes If you are interested in a discounted rate for the first batch of kits completed please reach out to us Products@Fab9Tuning.com https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 Our NA/NB kit (examples of our work): https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931909 |
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Today's updates:
The last NA/NB manifold order has been fulfilled and now we're full steam ahead on the NC's. Turbo of choice for the first 4 kits is going to be the EFR 6758 from BorgWarner. We've decided to use their new full Aluminum supercore. They weigh considerably less, have better cooling properties and won't rust like the previous iron counterparts. The 6758 will produce power VERY quickly on a 2.0L and as you'd expect a 2.5L swapped NC will be even more responsive. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931994 We're finally happy with the flange design and will have a production version in our hands within 24 hours. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931994 The first customer car has already been turbocharged with a kit he's not satisfied with - This is where our completely stock NC will come in handy for all of the small bits that we could have never anticipated without it (relocation of the battery, cooling components, stock air box). The engine bay in our NC is so untouched it hurts. I'd usually say it's a shame but I'm thrilled to have such a clean canvas to start with. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1441931994 |
Very excited that finally someone that knows what they're doing will be messing with turbocharging an NC
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Out it, what kit is currently on the car?
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<p>That white NC bay... has it been tucked or something? Looks incredibly clean.</p>
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Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1265064)
Out it, what kit is currently on the car?
At some point I'm sure the customer will communicate who produced the existing kit but until then I'll focus on producing a superior product.
Originally Posted by turbofan
(Post 1265208)
<p>That white NC bay... has it been tucked or something? Looks incredibly clean.</p>
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Man, a 2.5 swap with a well breathing EFR6258 setup would probably result in LSx-like lowend torque
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What is being used for the ecu? Retuning the stock one?
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1265428)
What is being used for the ecu? Retuning the stock one?
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I really hope not. There is absolutely no reason not to use the OEM ecu
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1265809)
I really hope not. There is absolutely no reason not to use the OEM ecu
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Originally Posted by Jeffbucc
(Post 1265812)
Sorry that statement was made under the assumption the stock ECU could not be retained.
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Tearing down the old system we've found a number of issues.
The turbo itself is wearing into the engine mount: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442261044 This is his second Garrett turbo in less than 5k miles and we believe it's because of the oil supply and return line positions. We will have to find better locations for them. The WG to manifold connection looks to be broken clean off or was a very poorly designed slip joint that was leaking, not a very conventional way of handling a pressure area responsible for controlling boost: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442261044 |
Those welds, look very familiar... :party:
Can't wait to see how this progresses :bigtu: |
Originally Posted by Girz0r
(Post 1266389)
Those welds, look very familiar... :party:
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LOL.
Oh boy. |
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We're waiting on tooling for the flange, in the mean time we've dusted off the old 3D printer and produced a PLA version and it's truly a work of art.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442344391 Everything checks out and we're full speed ahead on the manifold... More updates to come. |
I love 3D printers :likecat:
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Ready!
I specifically purchased an NC2 (2009 and later, purportedly has stronger rods and 6spd manual trans) for boost. I first saw this over on m.net and then saw it again here, and have fired off an email to Fab9 to see if I can qualify to get in on the early adopters list.
I'm excited about the choice of turbo on this kit, and I'm also looking for specifically a serious business (TM) level of power from the stock internals. And if I blow my shit up, I'll just have to rebuild with better parts and go again :D Currently, the car roadmap is:
I'm working through this list in the presented order. I can accelerate the project if doing so results in cost or labor savings. Edit: I have an active build thread over on m.net including pictures of the car and the parts going on: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=585658 |
/\ Sounds like you're on the right track and will fit right in :likecat:
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Any ballpark on price and what all will be included? Will it just be the manifold/turbo/downpipe?
I was very close to buying an ND off the lot or ordering one, but a fast, turbo, street PRHT NC and keeping my 01 as a track car would cost about the same and be multi-purpose... |
I need an NC.
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Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1267206)
Any ballpark on price and what all will be included? Will it just be the manifold/turbo/downpipe?
I was very close to buying an ND off the lot or ordering one, but a fast, turbo, street PRHT NC and keeping my 01 as a track car would cost about the same and be multi-purpose... It will be a relatively complete hardware kit, battery solution, intercooler, manifold, downpipe, charge pipes, turbo and even an add on tuning solution with a fuel package. |
Who builds your downpipes? Do you give them a finished hand fabbed/prototype that they digitize or do you give them a CAD model? Just wondering. I have no interest in getting back into it.
Great job FAB! EDIT: really interested in how the EFR 6758 works with the 2.5. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1267457)
EDIT: really interested in how the EFR 6758 works with the 2.5.
insta-boost, insta-torque i'd even do a 6258 because of my weird fetish for lowend torque :giggle: |
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Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1267457)
Who builds your downpipes? Do you give them a finished hand fabbed/prototype that they digitize or do you give them a CAD model? Just wondering. I have no interest in getting back into it.
Great job FAB! EDIT: really interested in how the EFR 6758 works with the 2.5. A little more progress today, we've determined placement - it's a tight fit as the IWG EFR is quite a bit bigger than the EWG configuration. With that locked down the manifold collector can be produced and it came out looking like jewelry. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442528721 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442528721 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1442528721 |
Jealous of those welds.. Keep up the great work!
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<p>I've seen flanges like that for other cars, but not the miata. Huge fan of the minimalist designs. Gets rid of a lot of the expansion issues people add relief cuts for on the standard flanges.</p>
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I received word a short while ago that I've made it into the Fab9 pre-production testing group.
Awww. Yisss. Unless it makes everyone on this forum stupidly angry, I'll maintain the detailed build thread over here on the Miata.net build sub-forum but will continue to post summary updates in this thread and in Fab9's turbo kit thread on M.NET. My FM brakes haven't shipped just yet, but now I need to hurry my butt up and get the wheels, tires, clutch ordered and installed. I also want to get the radiator and oil cooler ordered and primed to install along with the rest of the kit... Good thing my annual company bonus pays on in the second week of October :D |
Originally Posted by albuquerquefx
(Post 1268677)
Unless it makes everyone on this forum stupidly angry, I'll maintain the detailed build thread over here on the Miata.net build sub-forum but will continue to post summary updates in this thread and in Fab9's turbo kit thread on M.NET.
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I suppose that makes sense, just a bunch more cross-posting between forums :D
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Ctrl - a
Ctrl - c Ctrl - v Not difficult. |
Originally Posted by Erat
(Post 1268796)
Ctrl - a
Ctrl - c Ctrl - v Not difficult. That's only if we're going to be snarky, though. I may build a turbo-specific build thread here on this forum, just because (obviously) the folks who know boost are over on this side of the fence. It's certainly worth my while to facilitate the discussion over here :) |
The problem, is that most of us don't visit that site. Ever.
Not even being snarky or joking, or anything. This place has everything most of us need :) It'd be a shame not to see progress of your nice NC |
<p>Copy/Pasting bbcode updates would be super easy. But oh wait, the new text editor doesn't let you do that....</p>
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The intercooler of choice is a Vibrant core - full bar/plate with their latest high density fin design.
We've designed end tanks in CAD and are waiting for the waterjet work to be completed. To ensure fitment we've mocked up end tanks and everything checks out. These cores are perfect for the power output range expected for this kit. From the guys running stock internals and lower boost to the forged 500hp setups. At some point we will explore a 550hp+ option with the same charge pipe locations. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443019082 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443019082 We continue to receive PM/Emails related to beta participation - As soon as we have a more accurate ETA on these kits we will offer limited pre-order participation available through our website. |
Are you possibly considering optional IC and/or charge pipes colored with black ceramic / powdercoat? I intend to keep my whole car on the sleeper DL wherever feasible. Even if it's not something you guys are intending at the outset, I'll probably grab all the charge pipes and the IC and have them professionally coated in a matte black.
By the way, that's a good lookin' intercooler :D |
Originally Posted by albuquerquefx
(Post 1269030)
Are you possibly considering optional IC and/or charge pipes colored with black ceramic / powdercoat? I intend to keep my whole car on the sleeper DL wherever feasible. Even if it's not something you guys are intending at the outset, I'll probably grab all the charge pipes and the IC and have them professionally coated in a matte black.
By the way, that's a good lookin' intercooler :D |
Woooo! Feel free to sign me up / bill me for the black coating if you're amenable to offering it on the pre-prod kits.
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Have you guys looked into the ECUMasters ECU? Or the DET3?
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If this turns out well I will be selling my NB and buying a PRHT Club edition as soon as I possibly can.
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Originally Posted by ihiryu
(Post 1269458)
Have you guys looked into the ECUMasters ECU? Or the DET3?
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Very nice! I wasn't aware. I've always hated NC's but after this thread....I find them a bit more attractive.
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Just a quick update - we're testing some end tank designs on the Vibrant core. Should have a finalized setup this weekend. The production version will include internal baffling for even distribution of air (often a fault of top inlet/outlet intercoolers).
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443202912 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1443202912 There has been a lot of chatter around pricing and we're confident it will still remain at a competitive price point. I'd like to outline that the most expensive (and most important) part of the system is the EFR turbocharger itself. This is a bit like shopping for a PC, you'll pay more for a powerful processor but I assure you, you wont regret it. |
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Small update - Things with the machine shop have been further delayed but we aren't letting that hold us back. We are producing a few of our own to cover the pre-production kits.
This is just the Water Jet blank that will be setup on the CNC tonight for the 3D/2.5D features of the design. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1444340834 A quick shot of the turbo comparison - Left: EFR 6758, Right: GT30R https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1444340834 Two more customers were added to the pre-production list and our latest BorgWarner order showed up today - 6x 6758's ready to make some very powerful NC's. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1444340834 |
Can you post a picture looking straight down the core to show the additional fins or turbulators? Thanks |
I wouldn't mind a 500hp intercooler for an NA with AC. But this is cool too I guess
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It came out just as beautiful as we anticipated.. 10 more on the way and we will have a completed, repeatable manifold this week.
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With the completion of the flanges, we're pulling 10 hour days to satisfy the donor vehicle deadline. Quickly following that, our bone stock NC will be used for pre-production sold kits and jigging. Each will be jigged to ensure compatibility between the 2.0 and 2.5 swapped vehicles, if we see major differences we will make adjustments accordingly.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445006271 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445006271 To maintain what we believe is a great online shopping experience we will be making some rather serious structural changes to the webstore. There will now be a dedicated menu system for NA/NB/NC/ND, starting with the NC. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445006271 |
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After determining proper placement we're now full speed ahead! - Spending enough time with eyes on this setup, it's incredible that we were able to achieve clearance in EVERY dimension without modification to the vehicle or sacrificing the design. The last thing we want is to ask an end user to trim their engine bay, grind their engine mounts or bend lines (nearly all of these were done during the installation of this previous turbo kit, and it was still hitting the engine mounts).
As stated before the most important aspects of this manifold were to achieve a full flowing collector and zero awkward kinks in the schedule elbows. CHECK. These limitations left us with a very unique piece of artwork that will flow just as good as it looks. Keep in mind this piece is only tacked up - none of the colorful tig welding magic has happened yet but we're thrilled to be able to update you soon. We've modified the flange to allow easy installation with the studs installed. You can see here the far stud location is now open: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445978294 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445978294 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445978294 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445978294 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445978294 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445978294 |
Arousing. And I don't even like NCs.
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Originally Posted by Rallas
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Can you post a picture looking straight down the core to show the additional fins or turbulators? Thanks
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I'm starting to like NCs. Wow this is excellent.
Great work. |
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Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix
(Post 1279049)
This would be great to see. I haven't purchased a vibrant cored intercooler yet since there seems to be no evidence of their 25% increase in fin density. Staggered turbulators would make me buy in a heartbeat
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446057929 |
Boner alert... What am I doing with my life?
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Originally Posted by FAB
(Post 1279236)
Just putting together another one now - I was able to snap a quick shot for you guys - looks like every 7-10mm the turbulators are indeed staggered.
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The core density looks better than mine, which I believe is the previous rendition, so that is my 2 cents. Keep up the good work, you are making me very jealous.
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This is where the details matter and a good reflection of where your money goes when you invest in our kit over the competitors. We've taken our time producing a jig for the manifold to make these units identical, repeatable, properly backpurged and PRECISE!
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Originally Posted by FAB
(Post 1279236)
Just putting together another one now - I was able to snap a quick shot for you guys - looks like every 7-10mm the turbulators are indeed staggered.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1446057929 |
Brian,
Everything you've posted is absolutely gorgeous. I'm quite literally saddened that all of this incredibly beautiful work will be hidden under a hood. My father-in-law and two brothers-in-law are genuine car guys, and I've been forwarding your pics along to them. They're all amazed at the attention to detail and fabrication skills involved. Father in law has a 68 Stingray convertable, younger brother-in-law has a hopped up STI, and older brother in law has an LS-swapped 90's 3-series frankenstein of some sort. All three are now chomping at the bit to come down and drive the Miata when it's done :D |
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