Notices
Prefabbed Turbo Kits A place to discuss prefabricated turbo kits on the market

Req: 2nd opinion during BEGI-S install (INSERT HELP)

Old Aug 6, 2008 | 10:05 AM
  #81  
greddymx5's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 453
Total Cats: 0
From: Haarlem ,the Netherlands
Default

Originally Posted by Spookyfish
Nope... I shaked the turbo pretty well... nothing.
The axle from the turbine site can be pulled out very very slightly (< 1mm) but I suppose that is normal too?

I will e-mail Stephanie to get BEGI to help me with diagnostics.
That's normal.. without oil pressure.
Try with a little bit off force to have the blades touch the housings.
Should be ok...
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 10:09 AM
  #82  
greddymx5's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 453
Total Cats: 0
From: Haarlem ,the Netherlands
Default

Originally Posted by Spookyfish
Needle valve was closed (in) so I should be rich at least?
Yep... Maybe way too rich.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 11:02 AM
  #83  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

Originally Posted by greddymx5
Yep... Maybe way too rich.
Maybe, but it ran well, until last night.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 11:14 AM
  #84  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

If that noise is from the turbo, something is wrong.... hell is sounds like rope pull on a flag pole.

What was your ignition timing set to? any retarding device? Go do a compression check, motor doesn't sound healthy.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 11:37 AM
  #85  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

Timing was set to 10* BTDC.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 11:39 AM
  #86  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

Rope pull on a flag pull is pretty accurate indeed.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 12:09 PM
  #87  
budget racer's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 717
Total Cats: 0
From: North Jersey
Default

fwiw: my 1.6 begi s (stock wastegate is 7psi) was detonating pretty badly until i installed an MSD retard box pulling 6* with a base timing of 7*.
Old Aug 6, 2008 | 04:35 PM
  #88  
greddymx5's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 453
Total Cats: 0
From: Haarlem ,the Netherlands
Default

It cannot detonate on stock 10 degrees at idle...
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 08:41 AM
  #89  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

With the turbo out of the way, and de airflow meter back on the inlet we started the car to confirm it runs (low idle) and the turbo oil input is squirting oil, so that can't have been the issue.

Now I need to decide to:
a) go back stock manifold and downpipe
b) remount the turbo
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 08:48 AM
  #90  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

check compression. check leakdown. Do that first before anything else.
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 10:57 AM
  #91  
greddymx5's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 453
Total Cats: 0
From: Haarlem ,the Netherlands
Default

Did it run normally??
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 02:03 PM
  #92  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

Well, there is only so much that I can diagnose myself. Car is over to a revision and tuning shop 20min from here. Will keep BEGI in the loop.

Last thing I checked was the oil feed to the turbo and that was squirting like hell.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
07082008(002).jpg (67.4 KB, 137 views)
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 02:11 PM
  #93  
johndoe's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,970
Total Cats: 1
From: NYC
Default

that sucks donkey *****. I'm sorry, you must be frustrated.
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 02:27 PM
  #94  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

True, I'd rather be driving around. I'm positive to think that the car will only get better from now
Old Aug 7, 2008 | 03:07 PM
  #95  
Thucydides's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 436
Total Cats: -7
From: Fairfield, California
Default

Originally Posted by Spookyfish
... Car is over to a revision and tuning shop 20min from here. Will keep BEGI in the loop.
Please keep us in the loop also. Collective wisdom and all that, you know....
Old Aug 9, 2008 | 08:30 AM
  #96  
jbresee's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 428
Total Cats: 1
From: Burlington, VT
Default Spooky - what was it?!

I'm really interested in hearing the outcome on this one... what was wrong with it?
Jim
Old Aug 13, 2008 | 08:59 AM
  #97  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

Ok, diagnostics made by local company: leak down 10-20% which is OK. I don't know how they exactly test this and this may be differend to methods used here.

Cause: one of the plugs had it's gap at 0. Meaning the plug was essentially short circuited. After they fixed that, car ran smooth as ever.

They are unsure how this happened. Only a foreign object can cause this so they are going to use an endoscope to check the cylinders.

Next step is to reattach the turbo and see if it still makes the funny noise.
Old Aug 13, 2008 | 11:35 AM
  #98  
Laur3ns's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,054
Total Cats: 14
From: Enschede, NL
Default

Update: turbo is on and runs fine. Still has the high pitched ding though. Possibly a foreign object entered the air filter, through the inlet, intake and cylinder. There knocked out my spark plug and exited through the manifold to the turbine side of the compressor and is still there making noise.

Now how do I verify and how do I take it out?
Old Aug 13, 2008 | 02:03 PM
  #99  
greddymx5's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 453
Total Cats: 0
From: Haarlem ,the Netherlands
Default

To eliminate the afpr: Just connect the fuel system as oem (standart mazda)
by moving the retour line bach to it's origional position. So the fuel is not running through the afpr.
Now start the car and STAY OUT OFF BOOST!!!!!

Take it for a run. If the whine is gone, the afpr is to blame.

NEVER GO INTO BOOST WITHOUT THE AFPR!
Old Aug 13, 2008 | 02:11 PM
  #100  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

Originally Posted by Spookyfish
Now how do I verify and how do I take it out?

remove the turbo from the turbine housing...


it's doubtful something is still in the housing and randomly colliding ever now and again.

a foreign object bouncing around would make a noise much like a marble in a garbage dispoasl.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:34 PM.